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Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by justapassenger »

jaimex2 wrote: post #170
justapassenger wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vision also gives you unreliable output. Real world is messy and hard - sensor fusion and dealing with unreliable data is bread and butter. No one said it’s easy to build that stuff. Well, no one expect for Elon Musk to be more precise.

That last thing you want is two systems arguing about what they see. Also its lame to downvote for disagreeing.

Do you prefer to have one system that’s confidently wrong in specific circumstances then?

Sensing of real world is really hard. Sensor fusion is a whole discipline.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by gravelc »

cycomanic wrote: post #148
vl wrote: post #93

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Germany car marked is skewed towards Germany carmakers. Apart from obvious reasons, car leases through employers are only for German cars.

I've yet to be in a country were sales are not skewed toward local cars. Sweden lots more Volvos than anything else (and definitely Teslas), France, lots more Citroen and Peugeot than anywhere else, Australia: Holden and Ford, US: lots of cars that drive nowhere else (GM, Chevy...). Regarding outselling most other car manufacturers: this seems to be the Tesla realitity distortion, it is likely true for electric cars…

Australia has no local car manufacturers and hasn't for some time. Toyota is by far the biggest car seller , followed by Mazda and Hyundai.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/vfacts-australias-2021...

Tesla seem to have sold 12,094 locally last year, putting them at 18th on that list.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/how-many-teslas-are-t...

Australia with its long drives if you leave a city and lack of infrastructure doesn't suit electric cars at the moment. Will change eventually, but likely lagging the rest of the world.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by potatochup »

socialismisok wrote: post #172

This reads strongly like, "we're losing, badly, and we hope this will buy enough runway for us to figure things out before we've lost completely." I genuinely don't know why anyone would buy into Tesla now.

How does this indicate that they are losing? In what regard?

They certainly aren't losing on being a money making enterprise, before or after this change.

Or did you mean w.r.t. having autonomous cars? I don't see how adding more work will buy runway...

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by BoorishBears »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #80
phoe18 wrote: post #52

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Was the Tesla being driven in the FSD mode? or was this a simple human error?

I feel that may be irrelevant - my 2019 honda odyssey will stop me no matter what. All lane departure / following, cruise control, etc can be off - but automatic emergency braking / anti colission will work. I would not have it otherwise - I do not have any automated stuff in my old wrx, but I wanted all the safety always in the car with my family. (it is crazy to me how many brands only have the good safety stuff as…

It is completely irrelevant, but that's not stopping people from downvoting the anecdote, seemingly because they don't realize (or don't want to accept) the fact that Tesla has regressed so far that they're starting to miss the bar that earlier versions of the same vehicles set with AP1!

Contrary to some of the replies, at low speeds AEB does override the accelerator, unlike the highway ACC component of AP, so it should have engaged.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by socialismisok »

potatochup wrote: post #174
socialismisok wrote: post #172

This reads strongly like, "we're losing, badly, and we hope this will buy enough runway for us to figure things out before we've lost completely." I genuinely don't know why anyone would buy into Tesla now.

How does this indicate that they are losing? In what regard? They certainly aren't losing on being a money making enterprise, before or after this change. Or did you mean w.r.t. having autonomous cars? I don't see how adding more work will buy runway...

When leadership sees numbers going in the wrong direction, they squeeze everywhere they can. Often this means making poor long term or poor engineering decisions in hopes they can squeeze some short term gain.

What I see, from decades of being an engineer, is a company making a bad decision probably to cut costs. Why would Tesla need to cut costs? Something isn't working out correctly.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by m463 »

dagmx wrote: post #75
m463 wrote: post #61

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> The parking sensors on the Tesla are really good and very useful. I respectfully disagree. I think their primary use case is parking. Tesla does a really good job with automatic parking, and it IS useful especially for parallel parking. But honestly, I have curbed my rims and hung up my underbody front spoiler on a curb and they did not help. Really there is an opportunity for cameras to protect the car from nearby…

Tesla is probably the WORST at automatic parking. Here’s a comparison against some other competitors. https://youtu.be/nsb2XBAIWyA My own model Y has maybe successfully automatically parked 2/10 times. Most of my friends and coworkers have similarly low success rates.

autopilot v1 does pretty well, and it does it entirely via the ultrasonic sensors afaik. I don't know how v2 and v3 work in practical comparison.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Post by seanhunter »

petilon wrote: post #84
STRML wrote: post #22

There are multiple tells that this move, just like the removal of radar, is supply-chain and cost-driven and not actually driven by engineering. If this were a planned move, the software would already be ready to replace it. It is not. Cars without radar still aren't at parity with the car that have it, although they "fixed" this a few weeks back by simply turning off the radar on the older cars. The parking sensors…

> There are multiple tells that this move, just like the removal of radar, is supply-chain and cost-driven and not actually driven by engineering. Not true. Elon Musk has long maintained that cameras/vision is all that is needed [1]. After all, that's all a human has. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/22/anyone-relying-on-lidar-is...

  > After all, that's all a human has.
And a general intelligence. Let's not forget about that tiny little detail.
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