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Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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> Will vehicles equipped with ultrasonic sensors have their functionality removed? > At this time, we do not plan to remove the functionality of ultrasonic sensors in our existing fleet.

I really really do not like the use of the phrase "our existing fleet" here. It heavily implies that Tesla has some level of ownership over the vehicles they sell post-purchase.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#52

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I guess they think their computer vision and AI can catch up to and exceed the visual processing capabilities of vertebrates with their millions of years of evolution. I think they are wrong. Multi-media sensor data fusion is the only sane path for the foreseeable future, in my lay opinion.

They are wrong. A truly unbelievable coincidence coming across this article, I just got rear-ended by a Model 3 this morning. Low speed, I'd figure about 10 mph tops: A softball to end all softballs for AEB, and somehow I got hit with considerable force. We've had radar based systems that would have avoided this since the 2000s. I work in the self-driving space and while it's not an apples to apples comparison becaus…

Was the Tesla being driven in the FSD mode? or was this a simple human error?

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#53
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> Vision-only vehicles are still limited to a max of 85mph and 2 car minimum following distance for autosteer while radar is 90mph and 1 car following distance. Is that common knowledge, what's the source of that I'm curious.

I can confirm first hand, owning a legacy 2018 Model S with front facing radar and a Vision 2021 Model Y.

Aha so we’re talking about a Tesla design spec constraint not some fundamental safety thing or computational limit or some other physical barrier or whatever. Interesting.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#54

This does not make me optimistic for Tesla's future. Unless this is truly a temporary thing due to a supply shortage and they are planning to return to normal when they can. Tesla's track record is poor. They cheaped out on a few dollars for an IR rain sensor like everyone else uses, and as a result the wipers on a Model 3 are psychotic. Combine that with their hatred for manual controls, and I had a terrible experie…

These all look like push factors and are serious enough on their own.

But I don't even need them.

I'm pulled by Hyundai. Their recent design language has me and I'd argue they have the better all around packages.

Personally, Telsa aren't even the top dog anymore. It'll take time for others to see it.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#55
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When you have a several month wait list for your product, legions of devoted potential customers, if you're head and shoulders above any of your competitors, you're able to get away with things like this.

> if you're head and shoulders above any of your competitors, you're able to get away with things like this. The hubris of Tesla is still believing this to be the case. I personally cancelled my cybertruck order from lack of interest. better competition exists in 2022 that wasn’t the case years ago.

Tesla's are outselling every other manufacturer (ICE or otherwise) in many countries for the last quarter and they are still severely supply constrained; your personal antidotal data point doesn't serve much purpose in the broader context.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

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post #52

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They are wrong. A truly unbelievable coincidence coming across this article, I just got rear-ended by a Model 3 this morning. Low speed, I'd figure about 10 mph tops: A softball to end all softballs for AEB, and somehow I got hit with considerable force. We've had radar based systems that would have avoided this since the 2000s. I work in the self-driving space and while it's not an apples to apples comparison becaus…

Was the Tesla being driven in the FSD mode? or was this a simple human error?

My $20k Mazda won't allow me to rear-end somebody even if cruise control is switched off. Neither will my wife Subaru.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#57
post #55

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> if you're head and shoulders above any of your competitors, you're able to get away with things like this. The hubris of Tesla is still believing this to be the case. I personally cancelled my cybertruck order from lack of interest. better competition exists in 2022 that wasn’t the case years ago.

Tesla's are outselling every other manufacturer (ICE or otherwise) in many countries for the last quarter and they are still severely supply constrained; your personal antidotal data point doesn't serve much purpose in the broader context.

Tesla's own reporting out of China from Friday is that they weren't able to sell all the cars they made...

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#58
post #40

It is crazy to me that these cars are always recording and streaming the result to Tesla. Sure, that data might be good for training self-driving cars, but also a lotttt of other things.

They are absolutely not streaming the data to Tesla in real-time. They are storing some data on-board to retrieve later which makes it convenient for them to deflect blame in crashes.

Yeah - there's an interior, driving-facing camera(at least in the model Y), which I suspect has no real purpose other than to send video after a crash to Tesla, so they can say "look, the driver wasn't staring at the road, not our fault autopilot crashed them".

I would cover it up, but I'm afraid that it will look incriminating if I ever am in an accident as to why I did it.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#59
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you're head and shoulders above any of your competitors, you're able to get away with things like this. The hubris of Tesla is still believing this to be the case. I personally cancelled my cybertruck order from lack of interest. better competition exists in 2022 that wasn’t the case years ago.

Tesla's are outselling every other manufacturer (ICE or otherwise) in many countries for the last quarter and they are still severely supply constrained; your personal antidotal data point doesn't serve much purpose in the broader context.

Tesla reached a mere 1.5% share of new cars in August 2022 in Germany. They are far away from "outselling" all the others.

Re: Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

#60
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There are multiple tells that this move, just like the removal of radar, is supply-chain and cost-driven and not actually driven by engineering. If this were a planned move, the software would already be ready to replace it. It is not. Cars without radar still aren't at parity with the car that have it, although they "fixed" this a few weeks back by simply turning off the radar on the older cars. The parking sensors…

High-end as defined by what besides price? Not necessarily snark, I haven't heard too much good about fit and finish...

This is the thing people dont realize, as someone who has owned a luxury car before, the Tesla Model 3 is not what i would call a "luxury car" despite them playing in the same price space as the BMW 3 Series.

It's still one of the best cars i've ever owned but the fit, finish and feel are not luxury. My 2013 Ford Focus felt more solid than the model 3 i own.

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