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The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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on the other hand, I don't think Mickey should go public domain.

What is casually asserted can be casually denied. Can you elaborate your reason for thinking this? Is it a special carve-out for Mickey, or would you also include, say, Alice in Wonderland?

Indeed. Why should Mickey be governed by different rules than Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Pinocchio or The Ice Queen?

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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> As a buyer, why would I buy an iTunes movie from someone else and not from iTunes? Because it is the same thing, but cheaper. > And as a seller, why would I sell it at a lower price than what it is on iTunes? Because otherwise people won't buy it from you, they'll buy it from ITunes. Even if the lower price doesn't make sense for digital media that aren't degraded through use, lower price (that lets you recoup, say…

The only problem with this is that with physical media, there's an intrinsic amount of "friction" that prevents gaming the system. It's not convenient to, for example, have five people buy and share one set of DVDs. The hassle of moving the disc around (which gets dramatically worse with distance) incentivizes people to buy their own copy. But digital buying and selling would make it rather easy for one person to "se…

> There are ways to correct this

Those aren't "correcting" anything; the internet came along and stole their lunch. What needs correcting is the business model.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Arguing that reading anything, even small amounts of information located directly on the ticket or receipt, is "legalese" is very reductive and seems to be coming from an emotional rather than logical argument. Event tickets are an established practice that is very familiar and straightforward to consumers and as another commenter mentioned is a false equivalence for several reasons. There is an actual legal concept…

I want to watch Top Gun: Maverick. I go to the Amazon Store page. https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0B213HG4N/ref=atv_hm... I see "By ordering or viewing, you agree to our Terms[link to terms]" Huh maybe I should look at what I'm buying before I click checkout. https://www.primevideo.com/help?nodeId=202095490&view-type=c... Hmm, what's relevant to this. Ah, Digital Content, generally. The Service may allow you…

> It is not fine print

definition of fine print: inconspicuous details or conditions printed in an agreement or contract, especially ones that may prove unfavorable

definition of inconspicuous: not clearly visible or attracting attention; not conspicuous.

You can note that you had to click on the "Terms" link to get to those...

> I don't get how this is an "undue burden"

If you have to read 20 paragraphs of text for every digital movie purchase, it is considered an undue burden to me. You can calculate the amount of reading time that would take. I'm not going to.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore as I feel I'm wasting my time but in short I don't want to live in a dystopia where companies start foisting time wasting tasks on me until I give in and accept their unfavorable terms on everything.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Worth to mention, at least in google services you are allowed to (at least up to last time I checked) download such file and from there o werds is yours as in the traditional sense, you are allowed to write it to a DVD or back it up on whichever way you prefer, and as loong as you preserve proof of purchase you are more than fine

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Yeah, unfortunately you can't download the 4K versions. But for me that's an OK tradeoff since I've never once had to use the downloaded version to actually watch something on my AppleTV; everything has still been available in my account for streaming. Not to mention that over half of my library is movies from the 1930s to 1960s - way before 4K was even a concept. So except for a handful of recent movies, I've got th…

Hi, can you explain (or link to) the process you use to download them? Is it manually one-by-one? Or is there a way to batch backup? Thanks

Use the TV App on macOS. Just go into the list view and right-click on a movie (or multiple) and then you can download it. I let the TV app do all its own folder/library management. I've just configured the library to be on my external drive instead of my internal drive (you can do this from the TV app preferences).

Note that this doesn't remove the DRM or anything like that. This is simply storing a local copy of the iTunes-protected video on your Mac. But if the movie isn't available to stream anymore or your internet is down, you can use Home Sharing on the AppleTV to connect to your Mac and stream the downloaded version.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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One under-appreciated limitation on digital movies is geographic restrictions. You buy a bunch of iTunes movies in Canada, then move to the USA, and you no longer have the right to watch them anymore due to licensing. Another significant issue with digital movies and games is the inability to resell the content once you're done with it. You can sell your DVDs at a yard sale or on eBay but not your iTunes movies. IMO,…

> You buy a bunch of iTunes movies in Canada, then move to the USA, and you no longer have the right to watch them anymore due to licensing. In the EU we have an interesting law regarding that, if you subscribe to Netflix in Germany and then travel to another EU country you'll still get the same catalog as in your home country. If you have a US account and travel to the EU you'll get access to the catalog of the coun…

do you have a link to this law?

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Unfortunately geolocking isn't new or unique to the pure bits movie format. DVDs were regionally locked as well and even analog media like VHS tapes used color encoding formats that were specific in different regions (NTSC vs PAL vs SECAM). That said, the situation is quite a bit worse now as the modern DRM is harder to circumvent and geolocking more granular than ever before. But the intent to lock us down was alway…

> DVDs were regionally locked as well To be fair, those of us who tend to complain about these things also raised hell about DVDs back then. Geo-locking is such an obviously bad idea for consumers. It was such a relief when the restrictions were hacked away (was it that an encryption key got leaked? I don't remember the details).

DeCSS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Copyright law was created by and exclusively for lawyers and the oligarchs who can afford them on retainer. Just look at what Disney has done to us and you'll lose all sympathy for the mouse: https://i.imgur.com/58gB0hq.jpg

on the other hand, I don't think Mickey should go public domain.

Why? I see no reason why it shouldn't go public domain. If anything it might be possible wash some of the stain of Mickey Mouse.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Copyright, as it exists in the 21st century, is a scam. It does not protect the artists, the creative works, or the little guy. It is a product of decades' worth of lobbying by very rich and powerful organizations and megacorps. I'm not against the idea of a copyright. An artist has the right to enjoy the fruits of their labor, and creative works do have value. However, the original idea of copyright has been bent, b…

This is precisely why those laboring under the misapprehension that the same mechanism used for this can somehow be used by them to make things more "fair" are, at best, delusional. The results will always be "more fair" only to a certain group; moreover, that group will always exist in some form or other, as precisely such has always been the actual outcome of any fascist/mercantilist/communist system: only the name…

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Yes. A bunch of non-Apple devices have an Apple TV app now¹, and you can also play movies to any device that supports AirPlay 2¹. ¹ https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-app/devices/

That's still Apple hardware/software. If you can't play it outside of the locked down Apple ecosystem which is checking your license, then you don't own it.

> That's still Apple hardware/software.

Incorrect, Apple did not build the software for all of the listed devices. Apple licenses the protocols and provides reference implementations through their MFi program.

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