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The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steam is the only online games store that has given me any levels of comfort that I'll still be able to get access to my games after 10 years. Even then, I'm still not 100% confident that I'll be able to access everything in 25 years time. I have no reason the believe that Sony and Microsoft won't shut them down like they already have done with the PS3 store.

Do you think eventually Windows will drop 32-bit support like Mac OS X did? What will that mean for a lot of those games?

Ironically, by then the best Windows 32bit compatibility layer might come from Linux with WINE and other tools using it.

https://www.winehq.org/

https://lutris.net/

https://www.playonlinux.com/en/

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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post #186

I've always understood this and it doesn't bother me, at least for iTunes/Apple movies. Yes, you get less than a DVD/Blu-Ray in that the media could potentially disappear. But you also get more. It works on your computer, your phone, your iPad, and instantly on every TV in your house that has a streaming device. It works when you travel. You can download every movie you "own" to every device you have, almost instantl…

>Yes, it's possible that Apple or Amazon could take away movies that you own. But the public outcry would be massive

It's already happening and nope there isn't a massive outcry https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33010912

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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I have started a modest Blu-Ray/4k Blu-Ray collection. For me, it is by far the best movie experience I've had with any format. It takes maybe 90 vs 20 seconds to get the movie playing, but in return I get noticeably better quality. 4k Blu-Rays' bitrates are around 128 Mb/s. For comparison, Netflix tops out around 17 Mb/s. It really does look and sound noticeably better if you have the TV and surround setup to take a…

> I have started a modest Blu-Ray/4k Blu-Ray collection. For me, it is by far the best movie experience I've had with any format.

I'm a big proponent of physical media (incl. ownership), but I can't vouch for this at all.

I recently pulled out the Blu-Ray player, plugged it in, and picked up a dozen or so movies from the library. What struck me about the experience was how much worse it was from what I remembered.

You get a bunch of prefatory material (copyright infringement warnings, trailers, bizarre PSAs, etc.) that you have to individually figure out how to skip through. (The menu button doesn't always let you jump straight to the menu; you might get a No symbol[1] with a message "operation not permitted".)

Instead of being mostly pure content that gets streamed at you over a dumb pipe, every disc, like many Web sites today that haven't abandoned practices from the age of lame Flash intros, is crafted to be a package that provides an "experience"—a bunch of silly flourishes injected by way of themable menus, etc. that're supposed to be consistent with the look and feel and mood of the movie. In practice, it makes navigation cumbersome at best, and as far as their tastefulness goals go, they tend to have a half-life of, I dunno, a year or two, because they don't age well at all. The same can be argued for movies generally, but the timescale for aging out is somehow much longer (decades rather). Plus movies have, like, plot and stuff to capture your attention.

Several of the Blu-Rays I played from Universal Pictures had an obnoxious tendency to go to screensaver if the movie is paused for more than a minute or so. Apparently it uses some clever trick to abuse the Blu-Ray format to do this. (You can see on the player's hardware LED readout that it has jumped into a 1–2 minute video sequence played on a loop.) Most obnoxiously, it breaks the prime design constraint of a screensaver, which is that when you return to your device, it should get rid of itself. No amount of button pressing is apparently sufficient to get this to happen, and the only way I found to get back to the movie was to stop it entirely, re-enter through the menu that begins playing it from the beginning, and then seeking forward to roughly the spot that I remembered the movie was at when I originally paused it. Fucking ridiculous.

Turning on subtitles can be an exercise in frustration. Are you allowed to use the "Subtitle" button on the remote? Do you have to navigate the themed menu by following your nose[2] to find the relevant setup screen where you can turn them on? Is it perhaps hidden behind the "Audio" button on the remote? This adventure can be yours. With one Criterion disc, I ended up giving up upon realizing that it was actually available on a streaming service that we subscribe to (which wasn't listed when I first picked up the disc).

1. Aka the "do not" sign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_symbol>

2. https://www.w3.org/wiki/FollowYourNose>

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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I am not complaining too much, but I was disappointed when the movies I bought on Google Play stopped being available there, and now are in a special area on YouTube. I still have access to them, but have to go to a different place.

Anyway, the article makes good points.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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post #7

One under-appreciated limitation on digital movies is geographic restrictions. You buy a bunch of iTunes movies in Canada, then move to the USA, and you no longer have the right to watch them anymore due to licensing. Another significant issue with digital movies and games is the inability to resell the content once you're done with it. You can sell your DVDs at a yard sale or on eBay but not your iTunes movies. IMO,…

Final space was also interesting. Another show that got the chopping block for tax purposes. They were removed from AMazon, even if you purchased the seasons! Piracy returns?

-"Piracy returns?"

It never gone. 4Tb USB HD + Good Torrent Tracker = All problems solved.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

#196
post #186

I've always understood this and it doesn't bother me, at least for iTunes/Apple movies. Yes, you get less than a DVD/Blu-Ray in that the media could potentially disappear. But you also get more. It works on your computer, your phone, your iPad, and instantly on every TV in your house that has a streaming device. It works when you travel. You can download every movie you "own" to every device you have, almost instantl…

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Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

#197
This hit me long long ago when the kindle first came out. At the time (haven't looked since), eBooks were the same price as paper back books, but with a paper back book you OWN it. You can GIVE it to a friend. You can SELL it. Heck, if it gets really cold you can even burn it. With an eBook you can read it, and thats about it.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> You buy a bunch of iTunes movies in Canada, then move to the USA, and you no longer have the right to watch them anymore due to licensing. Maybe this is true from the perspective of the license but it's not something Apple enforces through tech. For example, I have a two iTunes accounts for two countries. I can purchase content through both and use that content anywhere without restriction. They make it a big pain…

Maybe iTunes wasn't a good example but it has happened to me with other services. I live in the Netherlands where I bought a subscription for the Formula 1 TV service. Last year I was in the UK visiting family and was unable to watch races there, despite havng already paid for them, as the geo restrictions were different.

I found this happens sometimes with Kindle books. I never know what will work or what will get disappeared when travelling.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think eventually Windows will drop 32-bit support like Mac OS X did? What will that mean for a lot of those games?

Ironically, by then the best Windows 32bit compatibility layer might come from Linux with WINE and other tools using it. https://www.winehq.org/ https://lutris.net/ https://www.playonlinux.com/en/

I hope so. The Steam Deck has been pretty nice but I hate leaving Steam and fiddling with Arch Linux and KDE to get non-Steam games working.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately geolocking isn't new or unique to the pure bits movie format. DVDs were regionally locked as well and even analog media like VHS tapes used color encoding formats that were specific in different regions (NTSC vs PAL vs SECAM). That said, the situation is quite a bit worse now as the modern DRM is harder to circumvent and geolocking more granular than ever before. But the intent to lock us down was alway…

> geolocking isn't new or unique to the pure bits movie format when governments ban imports / exports, its a matter of public scrutiny. So is protectionism. But apparently we allow a private cartel to do the same thing to an enrire industry with no pushback. This affects smart IoT devices, TVs, cars, etc. My xiaomi light does not pair with the app because its was meant for chinese market, and the guy that sold it to…

This is out of context and has nothing to do with what they said. The comment is about how companies were already region locking content using technical means on DVDs, not anything to do with government involvement.
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