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Not just that, but planning to make contraception illegal. Probably sex-ed too.
You're being downvoted because there is no way in hell that the Republican party will push for restrictions on contraception. After all, both their politicians and their court nominees insisted that abortion is a long-settled issue, and have not reneged on it the second they had the power to - we can trust them to continue operating in good faith, and in a matter that respects public opinion.
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>Generally you can get late stage abortion for variety for health issues Isn't this true in even the most extremely anti abortion states of the US?
Indiana just outlawed all abortion after 20 weeks post-fertilization, even if it would kill the mother.
Is that different to this law? https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/22/indiana-abo...
As that says "with narrow exceptions for victims of rape or incest, to save the life of the pregnant person and in cases where the fetus is diagnosed with a lethal anomaly. That law took effect on Sept. 15."
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The USA has about 20-30% of the population that's structurally poor, an artifact of slavery and oppression, but also the wider variety of governmental structures, economic concentrations, and cultures in different states and regions. This shows up in incomes, health statistics, crime, life expectancy, educational outcomes, etc. Probably the most drastic is the difference between coastal California (the richest region…
The reason I brought up rural specifically is because a lot of people in the US live hours away from the nearest hospital - of course unpredictable things like childbirth will not go as well if you don't have access to a hospital.
USA isn't particularly rural - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-urba...
More urbanized than France, Spain, Canada, Taiwan, Switzerland, Italy, etc.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indiana just outlawed all abortion after 20 weeks post-fertilization, even if it would kill the mother.
Is that different to this law? https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/22/indiana-abo... As that says "with narrow exceptions for victims of rape or incest, to save the life of the pregnant person and in cases where the fetus is diagnosed with a lethal anomaly. That law took effect on Sept. 15."
Those exceptions only apply up to 20 weeks. Without the exceptions, abortion is entirely illegal.
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Well, the united kingdom has a much more elaborate and complete "social safety net" and yet their maternal mortality report has similar conclusions to ours. The question is always what else are we willing to give up in order to pay for that? Would you be willing to have a 10% lower effective income to save a million lives every year in the US? What about to save just 1 life? Or what if you had to have a 50% lower inc…
> What about to save just 1 life? I actually think this ought to be a root standard that the government sets. Then every industry will have a baseline by which they are strictly required to care (and at risk monetarily if they're negligent) . eg: $1M per life expectancy year remaining.
Not quite what you're looking for, but quite relevant:
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#166The rate of maternal deaths in the US far outpaces that for other industrial countries. [0] Likely related to a racial divide in healthcare infrastructure? [0] https://tcf.org/content/commentary/worsening-u-s-maternal-he...
The racial disparities cut across class. The most famous example being the complications that Serena Williams experienced during delivery https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/1/11/16879984/serena-wil... . The impact of lives lost and diminished by racialized access to and administration of health care is immense https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/maternal-mortality... Besides looking at other industrialized cou…
Thanks for that Vox link:
“Of note, black mothers who are college-educated fare worse than women of all other races who never finished high school. Obese women of all races do better than black women who are of normal weight. And black women in the wealthiest neighborhoods do worse than white, Hispanic and Asian mothers in the poorest ones.”
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The reason I brought up rural specifically is because a lot of people in the US live hours away from the nearest hospital - of course unpredictable things like childbirth will not go as well if you don't have access to a hospital.
USA isn't particularly rural - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-urba... More urbanized than France, Spain, Canada, Taiwan, Switzerland, Italy, etc.
Looking at a few maps, it looks like the average distance from rural places to the nearest urban place is smaller in most of those countries than it is in the US.
They may have a higher percentage of their populations in rural areas, but the US may have a higher percentage of its population far away from urban medical care.
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Thanks captain obvious, what you stated are public health issues. Also, money isn’t everything and unfortunately a lot of Americans use that as justification to keep playing a game that is going to kill them and/or their family member. Way too much is spent on administration of health care plans and nobody is getting good value for their money. We spend the most, and we get the worst outcomes overall of any developed…
I will only say that I come from one of those Eastern European countries with low per capita medical spend and pretty good health outcomes, and comparing the actual quality of received healthcare, and ignoring the cost differential, I’d pick American hospitals over those in the country I grew up in every single time , no exceptions.
Yeah, your writing sounds eastern European, if you know what I mean (no offense).
You’re right about the American hospital, generally and for now. They have better resources, equipment, and are cleaner, among many other things. You have more rights in an American hospital (no bribe expected).
But, a country like the United States could learn from a country like Croatia and make the best out of its resources. The US could spend the same on healthcare without taking away resources from the general American populace (minus oligarchs) and allow people to be so much more healthier.
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USA is the richest country of the world and does not have paid maternity leave. It is very weird and my hypothesis is that this fact relates to these mental health conditions.
Outside of whatever your employer's policy is, it's a state rather than federal matter. It's perhaps a bit reductive to treat the USA as a whole in terms of healthcare. I'm about to go on paternity leave in 2 weeks until the end of the year. California will directly pay me some amount for 8 weeks of it due to paying the relevant workers comp taxes. Companies within the state are required to allow at least 12 weeks of…
> it's a state rather than federal matter. It's perhaps a bit reductive to treat the USA as a whole in terms of healthcare.
The person you're responding to is Brazilian. To most people outside of the US there is a wrong assumption that the entire United States is a monoculture with one mind and one voice. It's also a readily abundant point of view on the internet.
It's almost like judging the entirety of British culture off of the sum of the Harry Potter stories.
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I will only say that I come from one of those Eastern European countries with low per capita medical spend and pretty good health outcomes, and comparing the actual quality of received healthcare, and ignoring the cost differential, I’d pick American hospitals over those in the country I grew up in every single time , no exceptions.
Yeah, your writing sounds eastern European, if you know what I mean (no offense). You’re right about the American hospital, generally and for now. They have better resources, equipment, and are cleaner, among many other things. You have more rights in an American hospital (no bribe expected). But, a country like the United States could learn from a country like Croatia and make the best out of its resources. The US c…
I totally agree. Healthcare in US has a lot of problems, but the standards of care is not one of them. This means that comparing US healthcare based on outcomes does not always make sense. For example, mothers in postpartum overdosing on recreational drugs is simply not something that ever happens in Poland.
The fundamental problem is that a lot of Americans lead very unhealthy lifestyles, and this is reflected in the outcomes and the medical spend, despite world class medical care doing its best.