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From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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It's interesting that he developed tendonitis. I've read that the rate of injury at amazon jobs is incredibly high , which is not good practice in my view. Article says amazon rate of serious injury 80% higher than competitors https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57332390

The other way to look at this is that Amazon actually reports injuries. My brother worked at a "mom & pop" carpet warehouse and they wouldn't report anything unless it resulted in a hospital visit i.e. broken bones, high blood loss, concussion, etc...

Perhaps that's true, though I tend to think OSHA and equivalent bodies actually know what they are doing.

Still even if they are the same, if more than 1 in 20 workers gets a serious injury at work at any job, I think that's an issue.

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. This person went from a 23-year career sitting at a desk to doing physical labor all day. Any physical labor is going to take a toll on someone in their 40s who hasn't been doing physical labor. I have a lot of people in my extended social circle who are in physical labor jobs. Amazon Warehouse jobs are always viewed as the "easy" fa…

You can also write a very similar rant about how sedentary desk jobs are not sustainable with all the obesity related life shortening conditions it leads to :)

Written like someone whose knees have never been blown out on the job

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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"The experience was physically taxing, he was diagnosed with tendonitis after moving hundreds of boxes a day, but it pulled him out of his depression and helped him gain perspective and a deeper sense of meaning"....... I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. I've had many physical shitty jobs in my 20's. Then, I had some health issue and co…

The public is catching on to how sucky it is: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/22/amazon-wo...

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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post #31
post #9

"The experience was physically taxing, he was diagnosed with tendonitis after moving hundreds of boxes a day, but it pulled him out of his depression and helped him gain perspective and a deeper sense of meaning"....... I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. I've had many physical shitty jobs in my 20's. Then, I had some health issue and co…

I don't think the author is recommending their experience. He's merely talking about what he did and what happened. We've known for millennia that physical work sucks. That's why the lowest echelons of society always end up doing the worst of it. This, I think, is why previous generations were so emphatic about college education. In their experience, it was a ticket out of doing physically taxing work.

Definitely. My dad always recalled working on the Navy Ship yard and how cold it was before saying to himself, "F--- this" and going to college to become an accountant.

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devs can get by working few hours a day, some barely do any work at all Not sure how others here feel, but I have to say that when I've found myself in situations where there isn't much work to be done I find it utterly soul destroying. Always feel guilty doing anything else in down-time when I'm billing a client and so sometimes end up sitting in a weird stand by mode, feeling like I'm somehow being lazy.

You can always add metrics to your functions, refactor your code, improve your deploy process, write more tests, etc.

Exactly. Not all forms of development require deep thought mode, and a lot of them add value to your overall productivity and code quality.

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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post #61

I read the article, and... I get it. But something about this just seems weird to me. I grew up mostly on a family farm, worked every day of my life in some capacity since I was 9 or 10 years old, and did shit jobs to pay for college (which I eventually dropped out of right before graduation). I don't think my route into tech is that different from many of the other folks I've worked with... this guy lived a /very/ c…

> this guy lived a /very/ charmed and privileged existence

His experience in tech doesn't sound so charmed to me. He was obsessed with climbing the corporate ladder. He slept in the office and woke up early every morning to start grinding again. He worked so much he didn't even have time to play a game with his son.

He tried another kind of work to see how it compared, and he learned stuff. There's nothing patronizing about that.

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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> I had what I would stereotype as a traditional Chinese upbringing in America, which meant my parents very much expected straight A's. Anytime a B happened, something had gone wrong. The explanation was never like you lack the talent or whatever, but that you didn’t work hard enough.

It sounds like the author never got a chance to figure out the intersection between what he liked to do and what he was actually good at. Instead, he was trained to respond to the approval of authority figures. So the true north of his internal compass pointed to whatever the person in charge at the time thought of him.

Fast forward to 2021:

> I think most people who dream of retirement think that it's going to be awesome. And it was—for about a month. I skied on weekdays, shopped at Target at 11am with nobody there, and played video games. But after several months of pursuing various hobbies as my whims and interests—all the things which people who aspire to retire young might look upon with envy—I felt unfulfilled. I became unmoored, set adrift in a sea of theoretical possibility only to drown in unbounded optionality. Novelty and excitement turned into a spiraling vortex of depression as I began to wake up sometimes at noon, sometimes 2pm, and on the rare occasion even getting out of bed at 6pm.

With no authority figure to send the positive vibes he craved, the author felt adrift. This is where the gig at Amazon comes in. Authority figures galore and a clear sense of what a job well done meant.

Some are chalking this up to poverty tourism. Maybe it's something else.

Re: From Burned Out Tech CEO to Amazon Warehouse Associate

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post #9

"The experience was physically taxing, he was diagnosed with tendonitis after moving hundreds of boxes a day, but it pulled him out of his depression and helped him gain perspective and a deeper sense of meaning"....... I have mixed feelings about this. What this has proven is working at amazon warehouse sucks, and is not sustainable. I've had many physical shitty jobs in my 20's. Then, I had some health issue and co…

My mother-in-law was a nurse at an orthopedic surgery center. She always said the major classes of patients she saw were:

1. old folks getting joint replacements 2. young athletes 3. middle aged construction workers or laborers

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