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Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by StormChaser_5 »

csdvrx wrote: post #27

It's a theoretical claim (unproved, as acting on a system changes the system) Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price? With infinite amount of money, there are many things we could do. We don't have infinite money. Consider how the richest EU state in adjusted PPP per capita (so price levels can't be blamed) is just now barely richer than the poorest US state, in both the median and average Do we re…

Not sure where you ate getting that comparison. 2 mins on Google tells me [1] that ireland for example has a ppp per capita gdp of 79k vs USA average of 63k. Which would seem to imply that the first country in EU I compared with is significantly higher than at least some of us states? And that isn't a recent development.

The choice isn't about getting massively poorer, it's just whether you want to be able to look your fellow citizens in the face and know you aren't for supporting a system that sees their children die so you can save a few dollars more in tax.

[1] https://georank.org/economy/ireland/united-states

Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by kube-system »

andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

Drug use is a huge issue in the US, and people who struggle with addiction (and associated mental health) are also more likely to get into situations where unplanned pregnancies happen.

This isn't as much of a problem with maternal care as it is a problem with drug addiction, and this is simply the downstream consequence of that.

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Post by [deleted] »

kube-system wrote: post #42
andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

Drug use is a huge issue in the US, and people who struggle with addiction (and associated mental health) are also more likely to get into situations where unplanned pregnancies happen. This isn't as much of a problem with maternal care as it is a problem with drug addiction, and this is simply the downstream consequence of that.

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Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by pyuser583 »

neves wrote: post #33
xupybd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that less abortions means more pregnancies to deal with but aren't they fundamentally separate issues. A health system needs to be able to deal with the load presented to it.

One of main causes of abortion is high risk pregnancies. You are increasing the load with the most difficult and risk cases.

What % of abortions are due to high risk pregnancy?

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Post by saiya-jin »

csdvrx wrote: post #27

It's a theoretical claim (unproved, as acting on a system changes the system) Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price? With infinite amount of money, there are many things we could do. We don't have infinite money. Consider how the richest EU state in adjusted PPP per capita (so price levels can't be blamed) is just now barely richer than the poorest US state, in both the median and average Do we re…

Poor is relative. Free education including university for all kids you can possibly spawn, free good healthcare just to name 2 most of the most expensive pain points in existence as american citizen. Your taxes very often directly support killing poor civilians half around the globe, as it has been much of the last 2 decades, for less than 0 added value to anything positive to mankind. Supporting Ukraine is nice and thank you for that, but I am under no illusion US is not waging just another proxy war with its arch nemesis and benefiting greatly long term, no altruism there. If you get fired, how much support do you get from the state? Can you keep that mortgage till you find next job?

If you would travel to those places, you would find stark differences in real quality of life which can't be easily measured by simple aggregate numbers, people's happiness and life satisfaction.

Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by echelon »

coderintherye wrote: post #40
andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

>First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." If someone gets a surgery and then dies 8 days later due to complications from the surgery, you don't go around saying the death was "not directly associated" with the surgery. There are lots of things that affect the body during p…

> dies 8 days later due to complications

But 365 days?

That's sounds like it's mental health related.

It seems like we should track cause of death so we can have richer and more actionable information.

Edit: I didn't mean to imply that this wasn't postpartum depression. I was curious if/why other nations aren't tracking the full calendar year after birth, and if our way of counting prevents us from directly comparing figures. I want to mathematically compare. Our figures are alarming.

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Post by yamtaddle »

csdvrx wrote: post #27

It's a theoretical claim (unproved, as acting on a system changes the system) Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price? With infinite amount of money, there are many things we could do. We don't have infinite money. Consider how the richest EU state in adjusted PPP per capita (so price levels can't be blamed) is just now barely richer than the poorest US state, in both the median and average Do we re…

> Do we really want to become that poor? Is equality (in everyone being poor) a social goal?

About the only thing I'd be unhappy about trading with Europe, as far as income plus services and worker standards (time off, healthcare, retirement, primary-university education, child care, et c.) goes, is their housing situation.

Of course, ours is completely fucked too and some of us are only doing better because wages are more uneven here.

Like, if we could actually get all their social services and other perks in exchange, I'd be OK with a big pay cut. I mostly need this much money here to make up for not having those things, or for the ones provided being terrible and having to be supplemented or replaced out of pocket.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

csdvrx wrote: post #27

It's a theoretical claim (unproved, as acting on a system changes the system) Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price? With infinite amount of money, there are many things we could do. We don't have infinite money. Consider how the richest EU state in adjusted PPP per capita (so price levels can't be blamed) is just now barely richer than the poorest US state, in both the median and average Do we re…

> Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price?

What even is wealth if you won't use it to prevent the death of children when that is in your power to do?

The price can't be that high because countries poorer than ours find a way to pay it. What are we getting instead? What is it you're afraid to give up, for this?

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Post by avgcorrection »

neves wrote: post #29
andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

USA is the richest country of the world and does not have paid maternity leave. It is very weird and my hypothesis is that this fact relates to these mental health conditions.

The “richest country” also has a high Gini coefficient.

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Post by coldpie »

notch656a wrote: post #12
runako wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aid specifically targeted at food and nutrition for women and children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC

WIC is way overcomplicated for what it is. Just cut a check for the value of the goods you want to provide and be done with it. No excuse for the insane bloat and overhead associated with WIC.

This is generally what advocates for these kinds of programs ask for. The bloat and overhead gets added by welfare opponents under the justification of "preventing abuse."
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