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Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by jrm4 »

johnfn wrote: post #219
jrm4 wrote: post #188

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Calling spyware an "imagined hypothetical" re Microsoft is like calling "too hot coffee" an "imagined hypothetical" for McDonalds. They've already done it a bunch. Are you naive enough to 100% believe their pinky swears?

Sure, let’s have any example of this by any reputable news source then.

literally the first hit for "microsoft spyware" is the following:

https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html

gnu.org not reputable? Hey, no worries, it's an ENORMOUS ANNOTATED list. Have fun.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by sagarm »

pletnes wrote: post #53
codetrotter wrote: post #10

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From the opposite side, I decided a few years ago to use neovim in place of vim, and there were no drawbacks to making the switch for me. Then again, most of my time these days I spend in JetBrains Clion with Vim emulation, as it is much better suited to the kinds of projects that I currently work on than Vim or Neovim ever was. So take my opinion on Vim vs Neovim with a grain of salt.

The big downside is having to install neovim. Good old vim is in macos, git bash on windows, any random vm you’re thrown into… I also use the vim plugin for intellij et al, but I use vim on all the raspberry pi’s, weird windows boxes with some issue, and so forth. It’s already everywhere and neovim isn’t.

Neovim has official appimage-based binaries that you can simply download, chmod, and execute. Just move it into your personal binaries directory and you're done.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by johnfn »

jrm4 wrote: post #221
johnfn wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, let’s have any example of this by any reputable news source then.

literally the first hit for "microsoft spyware" is the following: https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html gnu.org not reputable? Hey, no worries, it's an ENORMOUS ANNOTATED list. Have fun.

We're not talking about MS the company, we're talking about VSCode, the product, as OP's claim was that it's apparently well-known that VSCode is spyware. Ctrl-F "VSCode", "Visual Studio" both come up with 0 results.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by jrm4 »

johnfn wrote: post #223
jrm4 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

literally the first hit for "microsoft spyware" is the following: https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html gnu.org not reputable? Hey, no worries, it's an ENORMOUS ANNOTATED list. Have fun.

We're not talking about MS the company, we're talking about VSCode, the product, as OP's claim was that it's apparently well-known that VSCode is spyware. Ctrl-F "VSCode", "Visual Studio" both come up with 0 results.

It hasn't in the past, but because it is a Microsoft product, you would be wildly naive to think that they wouldn't have a tendency to in the future. You're technically correct in the most pointless way possible.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by norman784 »

ar_lan wrote: post #134
norman784 wrote: post #115

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Check wezterm, it has something similar to tmux splits and it's nice.

Kitty also has this feature built in!

I should try it, I read a lot of users that like kitty in the unix porn community, but never gave it a try.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by johnfn »

jrm4 wrote: post #224
johnfn wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not talking about MS the company, we're talking about VSCode, the product, as OP's claim was that it's apparently well-known that VSCode is spyware. Ctrl-F "VSCode", "Visual Studio" both come up with 0 results.

It hasn't in the past, but because it is a Microsoft product, you would be wildly naive to think that they wouldn't have a tendency to in the future. You're technically correct in the most pointless way possible.

OP claimed vscode is “spyware-ridden”. It is not.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by tomjakubowski »

lc9er wrote: post #96
tomjakubowski wrote: post #89

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Don't know about hex/zed but Lua in neovim is just about as pleasant to use as Elisp is with Emacs. It's not quite the same thing since neovim's still largely written in C, where Emacs is largely written in Elisp. But most of the editor's features (including text manipulation) are exposed to Lua. Lua is a nice language too, just lacking the stuff that makes the Lisp nerd in me happy.

And you can use Fennel to hack Neovim, if you want to stick with a lispy language.

Neat!

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by wyclif »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #65
modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

> If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? VS Code is a proprietary, spyware-riddled, resource-wasting worked example of why "modern" software sucks. Also for my personal use, everything that's not vim suffers from being not vim; it would cost me effort to switch for no cl…

Hmmm, did some of the mappings change with this release? Now hitting CTRL-B (I do that a lot in NERDTree) gives me the "E5248: Invalid character in group name" error.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by ar_lan »

norman784 wrote: post #225
ar_lan wrote: post #134

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Kitty also has this feature built in!

I should try it, I read a lot of users that like kitty in the unix porn community, but never gave it a try.

Overall, I like it. I enjoyed WezTerm as well, but found that it suffered incredible lag in Neovim. Honestly, if not for that, I probably would use WezTerm full time. But kitty does have some significantly nice features, especially if you use ssh a lot (which I do).

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by cassepipe »

peppermint_tea wrote: post #123
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #65

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> If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? VS Code is a proprietary, spyware-riddled, resource-wasting worked example of why "modern" software sucks. Also for my personal use, everything that's not vim suffers from being not vim; it would cost me effort to switch for no cl…

on linux, kde/kate is pretty good... I switched back to full tmux+vim lately to get even better with vim, but I find that kate is the perfect mix between an ide and a terminal based editor. makes me think of notepad++ with a few extra goodies (files on the left, terminal below etc...)

Last time I tested Kate's vim mode the g letter did not work in insert mode. Kate looks great but seems even more overwhelming to configure than Vim
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