Stadia died because no one trusts Google • Hacker News Board

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by panick21_ » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #444

panick21_ wrote: post #261

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I'm sorry but this is just outright wrong. > The fact that Tesla has failed to output a new car or really innovate much lately They literally turned into a battery company with their own batteries, their own chemistry and their own end to end manufacturing process. They are making state of the art batteries when only 5 years ago this company had never even made single high volume car. You can like or dislike FSD but…

> They literally turned into a battery company with their own batteries, their own chemistry and their own end to end manufacturing process. That’s Panasonic, not Tesla. You are confused by the Tesla marketing here. Tesla makes plenty of interesting things but that’s not part of it.

No its not. You are misinformed or you are buying into some twitter non-sense.

Yes, Tesla is buying batteries from Panasonic. They are also buying batteries from LQ and CATL. Nobody questions that.

In addition to that Tesla has its totally own production process and chemistries. These are not shared with LG, CATL or Panasonic. Its own fully owned battery factory and research facility in California. They are currently building a battery plan in Austin and in Berlin, these are fully owned and operated Tesla plants.

These plants have their own manufacturing processes developed in-house. They even built the machines them selves. A lot of this is done in Germany in a former well known German supplier that Tesla bought outright like 5 years ago. They also bought a company in Canada that makes the battery filling machines and pumps in Canada.

If you still think we are in 2014 and Tesla is just being supplied by Panasonic, you have not been paying attention.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by panick21_ » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

MrMan wrote: post #498

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They literally turned into a battery company with their own batteries, their own chemistry and their own end to end manufacturing process. That’s Panasonic, not Tesla. You are confused by the Tesla marketing here. Tesla makes plenty of interesting things but that’s not part of it.

thanks

Don't thank him, he is flat out factually wrong, refer to my other comment.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by shmerl » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

test6554 wrote: post #255

Here's what a cloud gaming service needs to take off: * Allow me to use any controller the game natively supports on almost any device (phone, tablet, pc, stream box, etc.) and also as many game consoles as possible (probably 0 or 1) * Give me access to hundreds of games when I subscribe just like Netflix gives me access to hundreds of shows and movies. Don't make me pay for the service and again for games. Gamers ju…

You don't need upscaling for a streaming gaming service. DLSS is pointless for it because you can't possibly have framerates that would force you to upscale anyway.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by mrkramer » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:29 PM UTC

marcinzm wrote: post #354

narrator wrote: post #204

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Larry and Sergei decided they are not interested in the business anymore. That's probably why Google has failed to innovate much lately. How great would Tesla or SpaceX be without Elon? Companies without the founders become too cautious and status quo oriented.

When was the last time Google really innovated in a useful product and when they did stop being involved? From what I can tell Google has ridden on the coattails of Search Advertising for much much longer than they were uninvolved. Even Google's more public attempts at innovation are toys rather than useful products.

Google always figures out how to scale products to millions and millions of users e.g. Search, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Android. But I agree with you, they are not really innovating. I would say they are scaling software in order to make it useful for mass use.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:34 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #516

inerte wrote: post #82

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I think I will say this for the 3rd time in HN and I look like a shill, but Xbox Cloud is awesome. It’s exactly what you described!

Yeah; but I can’t be bothered to log into my xbox. It invariably takes me over 45 minutes of reading forum posts and poking around obscure microsoft sites. It would probably be better if I plugged it in more often, but it pisses me off so much I usually stick it back in a box once it accepts my password.

You don't need an Xbox for the subscription. You can play it on a PC or stream games to a browser. It's like Stadia, just better.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:35 PM UTC

aerotwelve wrote: post #483

labster wrote: post #8

It’s the final day of the free tier of Google Apps they promised they would never take away from me. I run a web search where the engine ignores my excluded terms[1]. Sad. But the I log into Gmail. Another redesign, thank goodness! Too bad I can’t XMPP message my friends to tell them about it. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=49ers+-football+-nfl

After starting to ignore the "not" operator, I can't wait until Google decides it no longer has to listen to the double quote "exact phrase" operator so I can finally ditch it for good.

It already doesn't

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:39 PM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #57

ThatPlayer wrote: post #27

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I think that was a failure on their marketing: you didn't actually need to pay for the subscription for the games.

Which made me trust it even less. How is it a sustainable business model for them to run the hardware and platform for the next 10 years without recurring revenue.

To be fair, 10 years in human time is like 1.5 years in Google time.

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:40 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #31

j-kent wrote: post #19

Imagine if you had a Netflix subscription, and still had to pay for every movie you watched. This is what Stadia felt like to me.

Streaming Netflix is relatively simple - each customer just needs to read a stored stream. I think they even put dedicated servers at edges like ISPs, so it's not even on the public internet! Streaming a game requires an actual real GPU being (I guess) exclusively used by that customer while they're playing. Not feasible to put those in edge locations. Completely different set of costs.

Somehow Nvidia, Shadow, PSNow, Xbox Cloud, Luna, Paper, etc. manage to do this...

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:43 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #553

test6554 wrote: post #255

Here's what a cloud gaming service needs to take off: * Allow me to use any controller the game natively supports on almost any device (phone, tablet, pc, stream box, etc.) and also as many game consoles as possible (probably 0 or 1) * Give me access to hundreds of games when I subscribe just like Netflix gives me access to hundreds of shows and movies. Don't make me pay for the service and again for games. Gamers ju…

You don't need upscaling for a streaming gaming service. DLSS is pointless for it because you can't possibly have framerates that would force you to upscale anyway.

What do you mean?

Re: Stadia died because no one trusts Google

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Post by solardev » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 6:48 PM UTC

john2x wrote: post #84

bamboozled wrote: post #9

I have some business stuff hosted on GCP. I'm actually starting to worry about that, I think it would be weird if GCP was discontinued but I don't know anymore?

I used to work in an small org running on GCP, and the most infuriating thing was they would very often deprecate services in favor of new ones. Almost every year we had to spend a few months migrating to a V2 of a service. That's months of resources being spent on work that the company didn't really need to do. This was a couple of years ago, I don't know if they are better at it now. But a quick search shows this l…

Same thing happened to us. I wouldn't trust GCP anymore.