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Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Are you saying there is not a single aspect of personality that is unrelated to race? That seems pretty racist.

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I don't now how it started, but I'm sure it doesn't help that you edited all your posts to complain about it.

Quoting from the HN guidelines [1]: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Basically if your research is considered bad for the dominant DEI narratives you're going to be in for a bad time. E.g. if your research gets the "wrong" results regarding police shootings then anyone who defends your research will have to resign: https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2020/06/resignation.html?m=1 And anything regarding differences in crime numbers or IQ? Forget it.

Anyone else find it unsettling that the acronym the social justice crowd settled on was DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equality)?

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> When one group wants to eliminate open society and civility, how is possible to have an open and civil debate with them? Roger Baldwin, founder of the now gone-astray ACLU, said this [1], > Host: "What possible reason is there for giving civil liberties to people who will use those civil liberties in order to destroy the civil liberties of all the rest?" > Roger: "That's a classic argument you know, that's what the…

>"That's a classic argument you know, that's what they said about the nazis and the communists, that if they got into power they'd suppress all the rest of us. Therefore, we'd suppress them first. We're going to use their methods before they can use it.""Well that is contrary to our experience. In a democratic society, if you let them all talk, even those who would deny civil liberties and would overthrow the governm…

Scientology?

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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It is good to go to the sources - but the obvious source I found appears to be [0] a recursive link so that isn't too helpful. Throwing babies out with the bathwater is bad and doing studies with diverse participants seems like a good idea. The statement can say "this research doesn't further the SPSP's goals" So I don't see why the statement itself would be objectionable. The objection would be if the statement is u…

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> I personally think it’s disgusting Democrats are trying to revive institutional racism — but they’ve been doing that for 150 years, so I’m not surprised.

How so? Affirmative action?

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Basically if your research is considered bad for the dominant DEI narratives you're going to be in for a bad time. E.g. if your research gets the "wrong" results regarding police shootings then anyone who defends your research will have to resign: https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2020/06/resignation.html?m=1 And anything regarding differences in crime numbers or IQ? Forget it.

Anyone else find it unsettling that the acronym the social justice crowd settled on was DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equality)?

Equity, not equality. Big difference (almost the opposite meaning !)

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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This is now firmly in religious territory. Is there much of a difference between this and halal/kosher certification?

We have laws for separation of church and state, they should be applied to this as any other. This is a religion. It's the same as any religious group trying to impose their morality and beliefs on everyone else. To be a good person use the correct words and correct ideas as defined by us, the good people. If you disagree you are a bad person. Sinful, evil. How can you disagree with the Holy Words, Diversity, Inclusi…

Private academic institutions (in the US-sense / not-government-funded) have no blanket obligation to separate from church, because they aren't the state.

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When they do one or more of the following: a) call/protest for firing people for said outside-of-work activities b) protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way c) protest/lobby for any sort of affirmative action policies d) protest/lobby against enforcing criminal laws because they disproportionally affect minorities (when said disproportionate effect is a result of minorities commi…

I have question, because some of these would result in 'woke activists' on the right as well as the left. > protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way There are conservative politicians, florida in particular, that have passed legislation banning CRT and gender studies. Is this not a restriction of free speech? Toby Price was fired for reading a popular children's book to children.…

CRT and gender studies should not be part of the high school curriculum in public schools and should not receive any sort of government funding in universities because at best they are pseudoscience. Private institutions not receiving government funding should teach whatever they like, including white nationalism.

Discrimination based on race should either be allowed in all circumstances or disallowed in all circumstances. Affirmative action is discrimination based on race so it's hypocritical to have this as government policy while explicitly prohibiting discrimination against minorities.

Uneven enforcement calls for punishing those not enforced against, not letting guilty minorities walk.

Any further attempts of sealioning will be ignored.

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Free Speech for Me--But Not for Thee: How the American Left and Right Relentlessly Censor Each Other (1992) [1] is a good read on how we got to a point where our ability to communicate across ideologies appears to be broken in many ways. For example, in 1963 Yale disinvited George Wallace, who was popular in the deep south, as a speaker. As a result, observers were deprived of a chance to hear opposing speakers' argu…

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Free Speech for Me--But Not for Thee: How the American Left and Right Relentlessly Censor Each Other (1992) [1] is a good read on how we got to a point where our ability to communicate across ideologies appears to be broken in many ways. For example, in 1963 Yale disinvited George Wallace, who was popular in the deep south, as a speaker. As a result, observers were deprived of a chance to hear opposing speakers' argu…

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The problems often start historically when one group comes to believe that some other group wants to “eliminate open society and civility” (or so some other evil thing), and thus feel justified in using any means to oppose them. Never forget the bad guys almost always think they are good guys fighting evil.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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I for one welcome this change. The whole university system has for decades been built on a house of straw and the ideologues of DIE are dismantling it bit by bit. What structures we build next will surely be interesting.

Yes this needs more adoption. Why aren't math papers being gauged for their DEI readiness before publication?!!? /s
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