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Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by busterarm »

imgabe wrote: post #15
bruce511 wrote: post #14

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In other words, you make snap judgements and assumptions about people based on their age, race, and sex.

That is in fact what the book How to be Anti-Racist prescibes that you do.

Part of the thesis of that book is that you are a racist if you treat people as individuals. To be Anti-Racist, you must treat people as part of their collective and then treat them well or badly based on membership of that collective in the name of equity. Thus whites and asians must be treated poorly because of their race and other minorities treated positively because of their race.

Basically you fight racism with racial discrimination.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by bruce511 »

imgabe wrote: post #15
bruce511 wrote: post #14

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In other words, you make snap judgements and assumptions about people based on their age, race, and sex.

I make snap judgements on statements, supposing age, race and sex, yes. (not the other way around as you suggest.)

I then investigated to see if my suppositions were correct.

That they are helps me make judgements with insufficient data in the future. If they are not it helps me broaden my model.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by imgabe »

busterarm wrote: post #21
imgabe wrote: post #15

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In other words, you make snap judgements and assumptions about people based on their age, race, and sex.

That is in fact what the book How to be Anti-Racist prescibes that you do. Part of the thesis of that book is that you are a racist if you treat people as individuals. To be Anti-Racist, you must treat people as part of their collective and then treat them well or badly based on membership of that collective in the name of equity. Thus whites and asians must be treated poorly because of their race and other minoritie…

Indeed, and the problem with all that is that it’s stupid and wrong.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by Manuel_D »

rnk wrote: post #3
armagon wrote: post #2

I applaud Mr. Haidt for standing up for what he believes in.

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> He quit that group because he can't sign a statement that he is anti-racist, and supports diversity and inclusion?

Incorrect, this statement was not directed to members' conduct. The diversity statement was to pledge that members' research submissions are advancing anti-racism, equity, and inclusion. This would, for example, prohibit a psychologist studying something like memory retention. This has no reasonable link to advancing equal racial outcomes. How does measuring the amount of time it takes to memorize a paragraph advance racial justice? Thus such research would thus fail to live up to this pledge, and be ineligible for submission - if this pledge were actually enforced, that is.

Of course, I doubt the people making this pledge actually intend to have every piece of their research connected to an anti-racist goal. This is just performance and naval-gazing.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by kenjackson »

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No that's bullshit. If you ask me to say "I hate hitler and bin laden" for no reason I would have a similar reaction as well. How can people put up with this filth? It repulses and disgusts me so much when kindness, compassion and even justice are absorbed by this bureaucratic ideological machine where people say and do things out if insincerity, just as lip service to fall in line politically. How do people feel com…

How do you feel about standing for the national anthem? Does that repulse you too?

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by dmix »

Auracle wrote: post #5
rnk wrote: post #3

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You need to reread the article. It’s not “signing a statement that he’s anti-racist.”

Everyone tries to pretend it's "just not being an asshole". But it's never that simple. It's always comes with demands for an ideological obedience that goes well beyond just accepting others or letting people be free to do what they want.

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Post by claytongulick »

rnk wrote: post #3
armagon wrote: post #2

I applaud Mr. Haidt for standing up for what he believes in.

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In this context anti-racist doesn't mean what it appears to mean by a "plain language" interpretation.

If you look at the quote in the article, it illustrates that "anti-racist" actually means supporting discrimination:

"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."

This "friendly fascist" form of discrimination festers under the cover of cheap political expediency.

It is abhorrent, at least to any society that supports liberal values.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by HyperSane »

busterarm wrote: post #21
imgabe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, you make snap judgements and assumptions about people based on their age, race, and sex.

That is in fact what the book How to be Anti-Racist prescibes that you do. Part of the thesis of that book is that you are a racist if you treat people as individuals. To be Anti-Racist, you must treat people as part of their collective and then treat them well or badly based on membership of that collective in the name of equity. Thus whites and asians must be treated poorly because of their race and other minoritie…

Well that is just utterly vile.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by HyperSane »

busterarm wrote: post #17
mrazomor wrote: post #11

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Err... the gist of the protest is: not all research is there to advance diversity, while Uni requires it, that guy doesn't want to lie to get his work presented. I'm not going to assume any interior motives. Isn't forcing left/right political views counter productive? I've seen this in the industry (people rant) and local politics (e.g. my country swings between left and right every few years after they get fed with…

Not even diversity. They replaced the word diversity with anti-racism.

And anti-racism is actually just racism towards whites and Asians.
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