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Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by gregjor »

goatsi wrote: post #71
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

Healthcare would be much worse without immigrants. In Canada, immigrants make up 23% of registered nurses 35% of nurse aides and related occupations 37% of pharmacists 36% of physicians 39% of dentists https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca...

And 100% of The Weeknd.

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Post by sh4un »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #23
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

> We have way too many people! We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. If you don't think immigration makes sense for cultural reasons that's fine, but with respect to healthcare and housing don't be under any illusion -- reducing immigration would exacerbate these issues by giving us an even more heavily aging population.

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Post by sh4un »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #112
Gigachad wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Total population means less than growth rate. The country may be sparsely populated but construction is the main bottleneck. It’s hard to spit out hundreds of high rises quickly enough.

Construction is the bottleneck because nothing ever gets approved, and when it does it takes years, and nobody who makes decisions is incentivized to fix this. It's not primarily because we can't physically build fast enough (although COVID has made this more notable lately, that's fair). The incentives for this situation get worse with an aging population because we lose working age people who can work construction.

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Post by questime »

mercy_dude wrote: post #127

Current liberal government is running a very wild experiment here with regards to immigration. For context, when I graduated from a Canadian university back in 2014, there was a very straightforward immigration system. The students graduating from a Canadian university would get the permanent residence within about 2yrs, inna Fast track manner. Provinces used to have their own cap and “eligibility criteria” for labor…

Just based on age alone I guarantee that immigrants raise supply of healthcare FAR MORE than raise demand.

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Post by _8j50 »

nine_k wrote: post #54
_8j50 wrote: post #25

I wonder how much if america's worker shortage issues can be fixed by fixing immigration. Free higher education at public colleges can also go a long way. We need more people who get this stuff but hate politics to become politicians.

How do you think immigration should be fixed? Should the US absorb large amounts of people from Latin America and from Africa?

No, the amount of people isn't the issue, but why did you pick those places? Sounds like you don't like people from there? And it also sounds like you don't have a grasp on just how broken and messed up USCIS is.

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Post by huggingrear »

cududa wrote: post #133
Dalewyn wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A peaceful, by and large harmonious society where everyone is basically on the same page? Sure, certain industrial sectors are begging for more manpower and social security is on a ticking time bomb, but those are all arguably minor on the grander scale.

It's absolutely horrific you'd refer to elder care and social security as "arguably minor".

Japan has the highest life expectancy in the whole world, which is certainly a factor in them skewing so old.

If their elder care was so terrible, I doubt their elders would be the world's most healthy and long-living.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by _8j50 »

jwond wrote: post #45
_8j50 wrote: post #25

I wonder how much if america's worker shortage issues can be fixed by fixing immigration. Free higher education at public colleges can also go a long way. We need more people who get this stuff but hate politics to become politicians.

When corporations and the wealthy complain about worker shortages it seems to me they really just don’t want to have to raise wages or improve working conditions to attract workers. Or in the case of jobs that require certain training or education they don’t want to have to provide that training or education.

That is bullshit propaganda. I work in infosec, one of the most interesting fields out there. No degree and I get paid very very well.

We are so short on talent we are forced to hire outside the US. 90% of applicants are terrible by any meaningful metric. Even when I interviewed at a startup once they told me 85% of applicants couldn't get past technical questionaire where the hardest question was having to fix bad syntax in a 6-7 line python code.

We got a guy who just got his BSC in infosec and even then they teach them so little it is ridiculous.

I am talking about 90K+ for 0 experience at most places! I am not very smart, I am terrible at making friends and networking, 0 social skills, absolutley unattractive or charming. Why am I doing well? Why is everyone else complaining?

I am baffled about "quiet quit" bullshit. Why don't people have self respect and pride in their work? I get retail workers getting paid an unlivable wage but come on! You don't have to code or work in infosec, before all this I worked various blue collar jobs that have similar high demand (and this was 5+ yrs ago), still no degree and all my training was on the job and it was paying ok (60-75k).

Why don't people want money? That is the question that baffles me so much.

I mean, even if writing code was the only way to get paid 6 figures, why aren't people lining up to code even if they hate it with passion? You get money!

Of course, it is because the immigrants and minorities are taking all the jobs (I wish they would at least the things can get done).

Even in US colleges and companies, look at who is writing all the papers and new findings in STEM and compsci: a lot of asian immigrants/students!

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by pseudo0 »

goatsi wrote: post #71
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

Healthcare would be much worse without immigrants. In Canada, immigrants make up 23% of registered nurses 35% of nurse aides and related occupations 37% of pharmacists 36% of physicians 39% of dentists https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca...

This is a pretty misleading stat. It appears to be counting people who immigrate at a young age and are then trained in the Canadian system. That isn't expanding the pool of healthcare workers, unless there were somehow a shortage of applicants. That absolutely is not the case for physicians, where every year the med school applicants vastly exceed the number of spots.

So what should really be counted is foreign-trained immigrants who were able to have their credentials considered equivalent, and entered directly into employment.

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Post by pseudo0 »

sn0w_crash wrote: post #125
myth_drannon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who is going to work in Tim Hortons(or take care of your elderly parents)? At least in Montreal, due to stuff shortages many Tim's are half closed with huge lines or drive throughs only. I have never seen anything like this. Also on Monday are elections in Quebec and all they can talk is about immigrants and how to limit immigration(Quebec has a separate immigration program).

You think immigrants are limited to pouring coffee and watching the elderly?

The government has a special program for "temporary foreign workers" that has historically been used to staff Tim Hortons and nursing homes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/headlines/who-s-look...

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by Dalewyn »

cududa wrote: post #133
Dalewyn wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A peaceful, by and large harmonious society where everyone is basically on the same page? Sure, certain industrial sectors are begging for more manpower and social security is on a ticking time bomb, but those are all arguably minor on the grander scale.

It's absolutely horrific you'd refer to elder care and social security as "arguably minor".

They are minor because they are ultimately issues concerning money, and issues concerning money can ALWAYS be solved given enough political and social will.

Compare, say, multiple separate groups of people and cultures sitting next to each other who may or may not like each others' company as a consequence of aggressive immigration policies. You can't just throw more money at such a problem to make all the ills go away, such problems that we can't just zap away are major problems meriting more serious concern and attention.

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