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Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Similar situation in New Zealand. The reasons are pretty similar 1. It benefits big business. It's an absolute god send for labour intensive industries to have a constantly growing pool of employees. Especially if they're from places with a worse standard of living, so they're likely to accept much lower working conditions and pay. 2. It benefits real estate speculation. Housing construction simply cannot keep up in…

#3 is a big one. The warm and fuzzy feeling is also why many people are unwilling to even consider the negatives, or have a discussion. Some call it an ideological paralysis but it’s more of an addiction to moral grandstanding.

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The huge lines are more due to the insane menu Tim’s has right now. It’s far too complex and requires endless context shifting from workers. The workers at my local Tims have been complaining about it for a long time. The half closed ones though? Yah, that’s a worker shortage. My local one started by closing the dining area and then started closing at 8PM simply because they can’t staff it. Of course they can’t, they…

Interesting that it is cheaper to close the entire operation than it is to increase labor expense. Must be thin margins in that business.

The margins on coffee are amazing, but I suspect coffee makes up a smaller % of sales after 8pm so the late night mix might have much thinner margins.

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Healthcare would be much worse without immigrants. In Canada, immigrants make up 23% of registered nurses 35% of nurse aides and related occupations 37% of pharmacists 36% of physicians 39% of dentists https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca...

Is Canada directly importing healthcare workers or does it preferentially train immigrants for healthcare roles?

They are directly importing healthcare workers.

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Can you even hire teenagers anymore? Is it still common for teenagers to work (outside of internships)? I can’t say I ever knew anyone who worked before university and in my school some teachers actively discouraged it. (I went to high school in Canada in the early 2010s). Although the hiring bias makes sense. Of course you choose relatives over strangers so that the money stays in the family.

I believe before 18, you need your parents and school principle to sign off. I don't know many kids who didn't work directly out of high school, even with university but in that case, they're just being carried by their parents and will skip directly from "first job" to "their life long career" after graduation.

Not sure this is true... I started working at 15 and put in an application and worked. No parental consent and definitely no school involvement. This would have been in 2005-6...

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

And who is going to work in Tim Hortons(or take care of your elderly parents)? At least in Montreal, due to stuff shortages many Tim's are half closed with huge lines or drive throughs only. I have never seen anything like this. Also on Monday are elections in Quebec and all they can talk is about immigrants and how to limit immigration(Quebec has a separate immigration program).

You think immigrants are limited to pouring coffee and watching the elderly?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The huge lines are more due to the insane menu Tim’s has right now. It’s far too complex and requires endless context shifting from workers. The workers at my local Tims have been complaining about it for a long time. The half closed ones though? Yah, that’s a worker shortage. My local one started by closing the dining area and then started closing at 8PM simply because they can’t staff it. Of course they can’t, they…

Interesting that it is cheaper to close the entire operation than it is to increase labor expense. Must be thin margins in that business.

Its a volume business. Timmys is really inexpensive. Some stuff are good. I liked their lunches. Their coffee is terrible, albeit better than Starbucks (low bar)

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Current liberal government is running a very wild experiment here with regards to immigration. For context, when I graduated from a Canadian university back in 2014, there was a very straightforward immigration system. The students graduating from a Canadian university would get the permanent residence within about 2yrs, inna Fast track manner. Provinces used to have their own cap and “eligibility criteria” for labor pools correlated with job categories with highest demands.

Then Canada decided to run some kind of a wild federally run “point based” immigration system starting 2015. Under that scheme, criterias such as education, job experience get you some assigned points. For example someone with a masters degree would get 20 points and someone with 10yr job experience would get 25points etc. You would qualify if your points are above some threshold and Federal government runs some kind of lotteries every few weeks to pick candidates in the qualified pool inviting them to apply.

Except the problem is now, there are too many frauds in the system. In many countries, accreditation and job experiences can be easily bought. And now that international students graduating from Canada fall under the same pool, they have to compete with these same people sometimes holding masters degrees with job experiences that are “bought”. Result is many international students are putting up with extreme delays and most wealthier populace from third world countries buying their way out the PR with fake “points”. Add to that super visa, which gives parents and grandparents of anyone in Canada with permanent residence 10yrs visa. And finally add to that the “visitors” to Canada who end up claiming asylum, many of them crossing the border from US. In this year alone that number has surpassed 35k. Just talk to any immigration attorney and the reality on the ground is abysmal, many are taking wild advantage of lenient refugee program.

Result is an extremely backlogged immigration system, rising costs of housing, slow wage growth at entry levels.

Now back to The current liberal government and media Who have basically made it equivalent to racism to even talk about this issue. Very recently, a provincial immigration minister was vilified for bringing this issue to light saying “more immigrants beyond a certain cap would be a suicide”. Which is indeed true as the strained healthcare system already shows.

Immigrants tend to come to Canada for its tolerant populace and free healthcare (at least when compared to US). But lately this is coming to a questionable reality as healthcare quality and wait times have gotten so bad many people are seeking private healthcare if they can afford. Coupled with a cost of living nightmare in most big cities such as Toronto and Vancouver, it is not a positive outlook and it can seriously turn the populace anti immigration and make this a seriously political issue as in US.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Sad. Following supply and demand economics, if there is a low supply of workers and a high demand for them, then workers must be paid more. In reality, wages stagnate, culture erodes, and systems strain because those in power artificially raise the supply of workers via immigration. Unions struggle due to the social frictions of working in a multi-cultural melting pot. Countries losing folks due to immigration are being brain drained. If you try to fight against this, you're called "racist" i.e. social engineering is weaponized to manipulate you and those around you into submission. Your kindness is used against you. Capitalism at its finest /s.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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post #74

Ask Japan how it's going for them with a plummeting population level, exploding elderly population, almost a million unfilled job positions, and hardline anti-immigration policies.

A peaceful, by and large harmonious society where everyone is basically on the same page? Sure, certain industrial sectors are begging for more manpower and social security is on a ticking time bomb, but those are all arguably minor on the grander scale.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who is going to work in Tim Hortons(or take care of your elderly parents)? At least in Montreal, due to stuff shortages many Tim's are half closed with huge lines or drive throughs only. I have never seen anything like this. Also on Monday are elections in Quebec and all they can talk is about immigrants and how to limit immigration(Quebec has a separate immigration program).

You think immigrants are limited to pouring coffee and watching the elderly?

Of course not, I'm an immigrant myself. But I never saw a Canada born person working in Tim Hortons(major cities, not middle of nowhere) Starbucks of the other hand doesn't hire immigrants, just hipster Humanities PhDs :) I'm generalizing of course!
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