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Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by missedthecue »

sbaiddn wrote: post #50
myth_drannon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who is going to work in Tim Hortons(or take care of your elderly parents)? At least in Montreal, due to stuff shortages many Tim's are half closed with huge lines or drive throughs only. I have never seen anything like this. Also on Monday are elections in Quebec and all they can talk is about immigrants and how to limit immigration(Quebec has a separate immigration program).

Because there were no Timmy's or nursing homes before we all showed up?

I think he's implying that the immigration system as it presently exists primarily brings in a class of person that is unlikely to work at Tim Hortons, but likely to be a customer of Tim Hortons. This exacerbates the waiting times.

That said, I do not live in North America. I am inferring from context.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by abrichr »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #44
mensetmanusman wrote: post #41

I’m surprised people are going where housing is so expensive, where are they living?

Housing in Canada is expensive for North America. Relative to incomes it remains cheap.

Can you please provide a source? According to https://data.oecd.org/price/housing-prices.htm Canada is only behind Portugal and The Netherlands in terms of housing price to income ratio.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #90
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have way too many people! We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. If you don't think immigration makes sense for cultural reasons that's fine, but with respect to healthcare and housing don't be under any illusion -- reducing immigration would exacerbate these issues by giving us an even more heavily aging population.

Why must we compare ourselves to 3rd world countries that have terrible quality of life issues? Maybe the canadian economy isn't able to support a decent quality of life and these population levels. Seriously go visit these countries these people are from and ask yourself, would you like canada to turn into this?! Let's be honest with ourselves. Don't worry you can just label me a racist and devolve the argument arou…

Do you consider the United Kingdom, France, Japan, the United States, and Germany third world countries? These are all examples of countries with more density than us. We have similar density to Kazakhstan, Bolivia, Turkmenistan, Chad, and Libya. Density is not the direct determinant for a decent quality of life.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by nine_k »

rjzzleep wrote: post #24
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

The thing that gets me about the US and Canada is that those countries don't even have an ethnic population to begin with. The ethnic population was put into camps and then replaced by a bunch of Europeans for a bunch of different countries to begin with. Germany losing its national identity I can follow. France losing its national identity I can follow as well, although my sympathies are somewhat limited given the c…

An American may lack a cleat ethnic identity, but I suppose that the American national identity is very much a thing. The American values, the American dream, the liberty, the flag, etc. A large number of Americans is pretty patriotic, despite being ethnically varied.

While at it: both Germany and France used to be much more varied in cultures and languages, but were unified by their centralized states. A dilution of this unity is, in a sense, return to a more natural state of cultural variety.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by pram »

archhn wrote: post #81

I've been watching some geopolitical strategists on YouTube. They seem to be expecting a collapse of the global world order. This means they need to flood North America with fresh labor to compensate for the loss of global labor or inefficiency of doing business in a war-torn international climate. Also, the demographics are bad in the first world. Low birth rates and an aging population. I would not be surprised if…

Sounds interesting, what channels?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by missedthecue »

cpsns wrote: post #67
myth_drannon wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who is going to work in Tim Hortons(or take care of your elderly parents)? At least in Montreal, due to stuff shortages many Tim's are half closed with huge lines or drive throughs only. I have never seen anything like this. Also on Monday are elections in Quebec and all they can talk is about immigrants and how to limit immigration(Quebec has a separate immigration program).

The huge lines are more due to the insane menu Tim’s has right now. It’s far too complex and requires endless context shifting from workers. The workers at my local Tims have been complaining about it for a long time. The half closed ones though? Yah, that’s a worker shortage. My local one started by closing the dining area and then started closing at 8PM simply because they can’t staff it. Of course they can’t, they…

Interesting that it is cheaper to close the entire operation than it is to increase labor expense. Must be thin margins in that business.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by adolph »

goatsi wrote: post #71
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

Healthcare would be much worse without immigrants. In Canada, immigrants make up 23% of registered nurses 35% of nurse aides and related occupations 37% of pharmacists 36% of physicians 39% of dentists https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca...

Is Canada directly importing healthcare workers or does it preferentially train immigrants for healthcare roles?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by bombcar »

bergenty wrote: post #9
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

You have too many people in a country with the average population density less than a person a square mile? This is such strange thinking- your solutions should be build more houses and train/immigrate in more doctors! This country is doing better than it ever has in history. The immigrants Canada lets in are a gift to the economy. If neighboring US is anything to go by, 90 of the top 500 US unicorns ($ 1 billion+) h…

Average population density is a useless metric on a country of that size; it’s like saying the US has no density problems at all anywhere because the density averages out to 94 per sq mile (that is one person per 6 acres or so).

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by bombcar »

nine_k wrote: post #104
rjzzleep wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing that gets me about the US and Canada is that those countries don't even have an ethnic population to begin with. The ethnic population was put into camps and then replaced by a bunch of Europeans for a bunch of different countries to begin with. Germany losing its national identity I can follow. France losing its national identity I can follow as well, although my sympathies are somewhat limited given the c…

An American may lack a cleat ethnic identity, but I suppose that the American national identity is very much a thing. The American values, the American dream, the liberty, the flag, etc. A large number of Americans is pretty patriotic, despite being ethnically varied. While at it: both Germany and France used to be much more varied in cultures and languages, but were unified by their centralized states. A dilution of…

If America didn’t have an ethnic identity you’d not be able to recognize Americans the world over l.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

jwond wrote: post #68
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have way too many people! We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. If you don't think immigration makes sense for cultural reasons that's fine, but with respect to healthcare and housing don't be under any illusion -- reducing immigration would exacerbate these issues by giving us an even more heavily aging population.

> We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world There’s a reason most Canadians live close to the southern border. Most of Canada’s territory isn’t particularly friendly to large-scale human habitation.

Yes. It can both be true that large portions of Canada are not ideal to live in and also that we have a really low density. If you've ever been to London, Tokyo, New York, or anywhere really you'd see that Canada is not dense.
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