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Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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I met a young and apparently highly intelligent AI researcher the other week who confessed to me that he thought fiction (books but also movies etc) was a waste of his time: there was nothing to be gained there. Being a lover of fiction myself, I huffed and puffed and he challenged me to name him a book that would change his mind. Usually when people ask me where to start in literature, I advise them to start at the…

This is from someone who is woefully under-read, and only remembered my teenage love of sci-fi in the last couple of years. I thought similarly for several years, that fiction was a waste of time. But then I realized I was scrolling through Twitter every day, and that felt like eating french fries as a meal: lacking substance.

Reading long form prose increases your attention span and the shape of your thoughts.

Reading fiction stimulates the imagination, which opens up the space of ideas that the mind can generate.

Fiction is a compressed simulation of life. By reading good fiction one lives more life.

Fiction is a cultural touchstone. New relationships open up when there are shared understandings of stories.

Good, hard science fiction is a record of what some of the most imaginative scientific thinkers (not necessarily scientists) have pondered. Again, mind expanding.

Science fiction stimulates curiosity by asking "what if"?

We all have to engage in lower energy activities and "waste time". Watching documentaries is a "waste of time" for someone not engaged in professional research on the relevant subject. Do you use Reddit? That's a waste of time. Having a science fiction book next to the toilet will leave you feeling more nourished after you've done your business (I look forward to using the bathroom when I know there's a delicious book waiting for me that I only read there).

Dead tree books are better for someone who has a hard time reading. Studies show there's a big difference in retention between words on a screen and words in print. Dead tree books also benefit from being "things" that can be left in the intended reading location, and give a sense of progress and of conquering when completed.

The tactile nature of flipping pages and of breaking in a paperback is lovely. The cover art attracts the eyes to the book.

Reading a book is a different action than looking at your phone or computer, and it has a different set of feelings, emotions, thought patterns. There's the smell of a printed book.

I love Asimov. I, Robot is easy because it's a collection of very short stories, but it risks being seen as shallow. The End of Eternity is considered Asimov's best novel, and it's not too long. I hear good things about The Last Question. Foundation is lovely.

Be right back, going to buy more Asimov.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Having read about 1 to 2/3rds through most of Dostoyevsky's books: I really believe they're over-hyped. Same with Pushkin, Tolstoy, Bulgakov, and so on -- with the only exception of Solzhenitsyn. I think the difference is I'm Slavic, speak a few of the languages, and come from the cultures that succeeded those authors; so they read mostly as sentimental, overly-emotional, and superstitious, i.e. what I feel are the w…

Yeah. If Russian classics contained some great life lessons, how do you explain Russia? Every kid reads these classics in school, and it's a shit of a country.

The truth is that you usually can't really act as much as you'd like on those life lessons.

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I met a young and apparently highly intelligent AI researcher the other week who confessed to me that he thought fiction (books but also movies etc) was a waste of his time: there was nothing to be gained there. Being a lover of fiction myself, I huffed and puffed and he challenged me to name him a book that would change his mind. Usually when people ask me where to start in literature, I advise them to start at the…

Haha sounds like me. I used to read as a teenager but stopped, thinking it a waste of time. Only recently rediscovered my love for sci-fi after randomly picking up Isaac Asimov's foundation series on a whim while waiting for a flight at a book store. Not saying it's the best thing ever or necessarily what I'd recommend. But maybe try and think what genere would be interesting to them and then pick one from someone's…

Hello from someone who wrote something very similar in this thread!

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Perhaps the Harry Potter books? Don’t throw Tolstoy at someone who havent read fiction before.

Would you really recommend YA to an adult?

lot of people watch a lot of YA anime as adults.

reading HP is fast and loose fun. the characters are okay, the world is okay-ish, the story is the standard good vs evil, there are some interesting dilemmas and the whole setting makes it a lot more palatable than the classic classics :)

(of course there are huuuuuuge plotholes and anyone with a more than two bits of imagination/curiosity starts to pick at the surface of the world it falls apart, like almost anything with magic in it)

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> [Taleb] showed, through his life's work, that one can make money by betting against people that believe too much in mathematics and their applicability to the real world. Does anyone know any good examples of this?

Taleb is associated with Universa,

"Universa’s flagship “Black Swan Protection Protocol” fund earned its near two dozen institutional investors a staggering 3,612% in March, putting its 2020 gains at 4,144%."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/taleb-adv...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2020/04/13/how-a-go...

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I met a young and apparently highly intelligent AI researcher the other week who confessed to me that he thought fiction (books but also movies etc) was a waste of his time: there was nothing to be gained there. Being a lover of fiction myself, I huffed and puffed and he challenged me to name him a book that would change his mind. Usually when people ask me where to start in literature, I advise them to start at the…

The irony is that if all the highly intelligent and capable researchers, capitalists, and knowledge workers read more fiction the world would probably be slightly less dystopian than it currently is

Meh, that's wishful thinking. Fiction is not a silver bullet. Elon Musk loves fiction, did not make him a decent human being.

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> Some deep truths about human nature require instead the reflection provoked by the classics. Yes, read Dostoevsky and the classics. There is so much to learn and to enjoy. But remember that great authors didn't discover deep truths of human nature from books alone, but from their attention to the experiences of real life. “When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. In learning…

My favorite passage from that essay:

> From all this it may be concluded that thoughts put down on paper are nothing more than footprints in the sand: one sees the road the man has taken, but in order to know what he saw on the way, one requires his eyes.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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I’m going to be perfectly honest, I have no idea what you mean in this context/what you’re saying to me once I get past the first comma.

I'm saying you're not engaging with the substance of his point. If I were to say, "America had a negative impact in geopolitics when it invaded Iraq," it's like you responded with "I'm sorry, but that just seems anti-American."

I don’t think that’s a particularly fair or accurate assessment of what I said.

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I met a young and apparently highly intelligent AI researcher the other week who confessed to me that he thought fiction (books but also movies etc) was a waste of his time: there was nothing to be gained there. Being a lover of fiction myself, I huffed and puffed and he challenged me to name him a book that would change his mind. Usually when people ask me where to start in literature, I advise them to start at the…

You need to dig deeper, only ask questions. What is his current view of the world of humans, etc. Once you have a grasp of that, there is probably a fiction that can show him how his vision is incomplete. We are after knowledge and to be useful and interesting the new knowledge need to be just a bit farther than we are at the moment. (zone of proximal development) Not a book, but for AI I enjoyed watching Joshua Bach…

> We are after knowledge and to be useful and interesting the new knowledge need to be just a bit farther than we are at the moment. (zone of proximal development)

I feel like I’ve run out of new proximal ideas. I used to devour (not only) science-fiction, but now I find it very hard to find anything whose concepts I’m not already familiar with. Or you have to read through 400 pages to get to just one interesting idea or plot point, and you can’t tell a priori if that will even happen.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going to be perfectly honest, I have no idea what you mean in this context/what you’re saying to me once I get past the first comma.

I'm saying you're not engaging with the substance of his point. If I were to say, "America had a negative impact in geopolitics when it invaded Iraq," it's like you responded with "I'm sorry, but that just seems anti-American."

Just wanted to say that this was an excellent example to illustrate your case.
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