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Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by rory »

cpurdy wrote: post #225
rory wrote: post #142

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> flying legal immigrants to other states Can we please not do this flamewar thing? Asylum seekers are technically neither legal nor illegal immigrants yet, but everyone knows this will cause an argument that's completely unrelated to the article.

I tried to be very careful about what I said, and how I said it. As with many others here, I pay a great deal of taxes, by any measure. I do not want my contribution (_our_ contributions) to be used to hurt people for the purpose of hurting people. This is not a "flamewar thing". DeSantis chose to hurt people to accrue power to himself. Given the gifts and the fortune that we have inherited, if we cannot speak truth…

"Sorry, not sorry" is exactly a flamewar thing. You're not "speaking truth to power." First, as I pointed out you're factually incorrect. Second, who do you think is reading your HN thread that has power over the governor of Florida? So you're literally speaking lies to the powerless. Sick.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by cycrutchfield »

coryrc wrote: post #228
cycrutchfield wrote: post #226

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Sorry, I wasn't precise enough with my language. I was saying if it is that easy to determine who has a legitimate asylum claim, then why don't the courts do so?

When they actually show up to court, they're usually not granted asylum. But we have teens of millions of people living here illegally, it's not hard to avoid the authorities.

For some reason we keep talking past one another. I’m talking about why CBP doesn’t just turn away asylum seekers that transit via Mexico if it is so easy to determine in advance that their asylum claims are not legitimate.

For some reason you keep railing against illegal immigrants instead of actually engaging in productive discussion.

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Post by marssaxman »

shagmin wrote: post #83
SoftTalker wrote: post #17

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Hurricanes are a fact of life in the gulf and southeastern atlantic coasts. There is no area that has not have been hit twice already in the past century. So all this coastline should be dunes and park spaces?

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. There's also probably room for stronger building codes in riskier areas. This hurricane (and others in the past) literally changed where the coastline is in some places. But from some of the pictures I've seen, you do have some neighborhoods where one side is slightly higher than the other side and thus survived much better. Maybe some of those houses shouldn't have been built, a…

In the small Atlantic coastal town where I am temporarily living, all recently-built houses sit on stilts - they have an open area underneath, often used as a garage, or for storage, but all the finished living space starts eight feet off the ground. Many people are also lifting their older houses this way; the owners of the house next door just moved back in after completing their upgrade.

Some of this adaptation is FEMA-subsidized: anyone whose house has been flooded twice in ten years can apply for a $50k grant toward the lift. Federal flood insurance may be doing much of the giving, but around here at least it's happening in a way that improves long term resilience.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by Amezarak »

gamegoblin wrote: post #65
SoftTalker wrote: post #17

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Hurricanes are a fact of life in the gulf and southeastern atlantic coasts. There is no area that has not have been hit twice already in the past century. So all this coastline should be dunes and park spaces?

To be honest, that sounds amazing . Having those coasts be parks with hundreds of miles of low-impact infrastructure like hiking/biking/walking paths, maybe simple low-key restaurants that aren't a big deal to rebuild every decade, etc. Put all the heavier infrastructure like housing developments a few miles inland. Then everyone can enjoy these idyllic beach lands a little farther from all the buzz of cities. Everyo…

Storm surges come miles inland. It’s not just people on the beach. Most of the gulf coast is fairly flat and filled with other waterways.

What you’re looking at is anybody potentially within 30ft of sea level where any contiguous The wind is not as big a concern, but also still does a lot of damage. During one major hurricane I evacuated 150 miles inland and still didn’t have power for a week. One person in the town I evacuated to was killed by a falling tree.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by notch656a »

cpurdy wrote: post #223
notch656a wrote: post #91

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Florida is pretty low on federally funding dependency ranking.

Florida is pretty high on federal funding dependency. https://ritholtz.com/2019/01/makers-takers-states-edition/

The source under the page you cite shows Florida as #32 [Edit: the graphical tool shows it as #35] in per-capita balance payments (in direction towards state) over time. Next time you lie, try not using a source that contradicts yourself.

https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-...

https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Balance-of-P... Table 12B

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by thehappypm »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #232
coryrc wrote: post #228

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When they actually show up to court, they're usually not granted asylum. But we have teens of millions of people living here illegally, it's not hard to avoid the authorities.

For some reason we keep talking past one another. I’m talking about why CBP doesn’t just turn away asylum seekers that transit via Mexico if it is so easy to determine in advance that their asylum claims are not legitimate. For some reason you keep railing against illegal immigrants instead of actually engaging in productive discussion.

CBP is not authorized to do so. Asylum must go before a judge.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by throwoutway »

michael1999 wrote: post #22
SoftTalker wrote: post #17

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Hurricanes are a fact of life in the gulf and southeastern atlantic coasts. There is no area that has not have been hit twice already in the past century. So all this coastline should be dunes and park spaces?

Calgary did this after the 2013 Bow river flood. They bailed out the homeowners. But if they choose to rebuild on those lots, next time they get zero. They are on their own. If catastrophic hurricanes are really going to happen every 10 years, should the federal government be subsidizing the coastal lifestyle and building you a new house each time? Consider: 100B/100M taxpayers = $1000 per person. Can you really say…

I don’t think the money goes to the homeowners does it? They have home insurance (which I’ve heard is double what I pay for an inland city in an area unaffected by hurricanes). FEMA helps the area (utilities, essentials, shelter) but doesn’t rebuild their homes from what I’ve heard
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