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Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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the servers inside Iranian data centers still have access to the outside world. Knowing that, the simplest and easiest solution that would avoid detection is to SSH tunnel into that datacenter and SSH-ProxyForward out of that datacenter into Amazon AWS via SSH and use that SSH proxy chain as a SOCKS proxy for browsers. Make sure the browser is using the SOCKS proxy (SSH) for its DNS. Many sites will make your friends…

[Edit] Too late for me to edit my original post. It was pointed out to me that Iranians are not permitted to use AWS. In that case, replace "AWS" with whatever VPS/Server providers that Iranians are permitted to use that is outside of the country.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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It is very sad that facts do not matter just populism

No, it is sad that you cannot accept that people respond differently to different things. That two different viewpoints can exist and both be wrong and both be correct to varying degrees simultaneously. That one man's trash is another man's treasure. There is no "fact" in metaphor and story, only interpretation. It is not objective science. Rather ironically given the thread, you're acting as if you're the ayatollah…

Thank you for your thoughtful answer. It is more than my comment deserves. I agree with most you said. I had to look up what is "Kant’s Axe Murderer dilemma".

I feel the same way that the best sci-fi is about us/our lives. Though disagree with conclusions --reasonable people can disagree-- if we would remove the god-like difference in power between groups then there were not the prime directive in the first place.

In practical terms, I don't expect any debate/morale dilemmas when we encounter isolated tribes -- they are likely to be exterminated for profit one way or another. The prevailing logic in practice: the might is right. Then the story can be spinned in whatever way to make it digestible by the public if necessary.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is sad that you cannot accept that people respond differently to different things. That two different viewpoints can exist and both be wrong and both be correct to varying degrees simultaneously. That one man's trash is another man's treasure. There is no "fact" in metaphor and story, only interpretation. It is not objective science. Rather ironically given the thread, you're acting as if you're the ayatollah…

Thank you for your thoughtful answer. It is more than my comment deserves. I agree with most you said. I had to look up what is "Kant’s Axe Murderer dilemma". I feel the same way that the best sci-fi is about us/our lives. Though disagree with conclusions --reasonable people can disagree-- if we would remove the god-like difference in power between groups then there were not the prime directive in the first place. In…

Don’t worry about it, it was my own fault for being a sarcastic bastard with

“Allow me to introduce you to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor”

that set the wrong tone for this entire comment thread to begin with.

I agree that the Prime Directive of Star Trek is dependent on primitive species. I think that the Prime Directive of Life is to not interfere in other people’s business without good reason. In the case of Iran right now, if I had the skills (which I don’t) I’d be tempted to break the Prime Directive of Life because I think there are people there being killed and tortured for no reason other than it aids the men in power maintain their status and that doesn’t sit right with me. Obviously if you kill one monster you can’t be sure an even worse one won’t take its place but for me, I’d rather take my chances. I’ve got to have hope in humanity, that we can come together, that we can banish evil when we see it even if it takes us many attempts and that we can build better things in its place. I believe people should be free to live their lives however they wish so long as they are not hurting others.

Sadly, I feel you may be right on the “might is right” thing. In my opinion, Star Trek only works as a series due to the “universal replicator”. As a device, it allows for the creation of anything, thus there is no scarcity of resources and the entire planet is free to adopt an “abundancy mindset” rather than a “scarcity mindset”. With people no longer worried about survival or material possessions, people are free to pursue their passions and curiosities and focus on bettering themselves rather than competing to survive.

The Star Trek universe also only works because the federation have more technologically advanced weaponry than their ideological adversaries allowing them security and peace of mind. Of course, it is possible to achieve an abundance mindset without any replicator as many happy people alive today will demonstrate. But in what is an increasingly materialistic world, it may be the quickest way to achieve it globally. I don’t think this is going to look like a box that just makes things as in Star Trek. Instead it will be AI controlling many different machines and abundant renewable energy to power them. Maybe it will all go wrong with the singularity. Who knows!

Sadly, we know through the ancients that the “gods are eternal” so it is likely that, if we were able to create a similar utopia to that of Star Trek, we will still produce damaged people who seek war, power over others etc just as the advanced worlds of Star Trek have their own villainous characters. We would thus need to also have other systems well developed simultaneously, good health care systems, good education systems, good political systems etc. Maybe then we will have ascended to a place where we deal with our inner world in a manner that is non destructive to our external world and will be able to go to space as explorers rather than conquerors. If we go to space before this self mastery is achieved then it will be likely be the same old tragic self interested story.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not dealing with a state that will say "teehee, we have no proof of the data that's going through, oh well!". Anyone found operating one of these gateways will just end up being beaten with a wrench, and traffic logged further on. Considering this, it's overall safer to not go through a central gateway, and to have as many possible connections going through. Hell, even PCs stored in weird places, in governmen…

Good point. I wish I could delete or edit my comment but I can't. Thanks for the reply.

Moderators can probably help.

hn@ycombinator.com

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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For what was supposed to be a spontaneous protest, this all seems incredibly well-coordinated. Certainly wouldn’t be the first time a foreign government used riots to influence government policy. Even further, Khamenei may not last the year and such riots could heavily influence the selection of his successor, offering a strong motive to any country looking to engage in such espionage.

So glad we can both appreciate how well organised mass protests can be when everyone works together. If you're going to insinuate something else, I'd suggest you get some actual evidence first. Just saying "colour revolution" or whatever is intellectually lazy, as well as being dishonest and dismissive about people who are risking their lives and liberty.

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Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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I hope that the protesting works and that it achieves freedom for Iranian women, Iranian LGBT and Iranians in general.

It seems not much has been said about the gay men regularly executed in Iran, by government or vigilante/honour killings. I'm just hoping the protests achieve something and that the protestors, after fighting for women's rights there, don't go on to continue executing gay people after all is said & done.

Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran

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We all sympathize with the death of Mahsa Amini. However, don't be a fool and destabilize and destroy your own country at the hands of foreigners. What do you intend to achieve with the chaos? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Division of Iran into ethnic and religious enclaves? Because that is what the CIA/NSA/Mossad is working for. I'm all for protests by and for Iranians but this is no longer something related to Iran. An…

You can sit there and intellectualise from the safety of your democracy, but until you've had your country ripped away from you, you have no idea what you're talking about.

It gets me so angry when people criticise the very freedom that allows them to do that criticising. It's like tautological self-harm.

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