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Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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I used to like Taleb, but his cult is getting out of hand. Really? You needed Taleb to explain why the classics are good reading? Why literature that has been treasured for the entirety of human history is valuable? Get a grip. Mix that faux-intellectualism--slash--nouveau-englightenment with gross oversimplifications and you have a Taleb cultist. > From Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism... I'm no Russian sy…

> You needed Taleb to explain why the classics are good reading? Why literature that has been treasured for the entirety of human history is valuable? Classics are good reading because every new generation of readers can find there something valuable. Every new generation of readers can find something new, or at least rediscover something old. Everyone find in classics their own things. If the author sees Dostoevsky…

> It means he is still relevant.

Yeah, that's kind of my point. Of course he's still relevant, he's Dostoevsky. I'm in the middle of Moby Dick. Not because Taleb (or Jordan Peterson, or any other twitter "intellectual") told me about this cool 19th century author named Herman Melville, but because, you know, it's Moby freakin' Dick.

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While I agree Dostoevsky is worth reading for most, some of the author's statements made me cringe a bit. Like "reading fiction is mostly a waste of time", "knowledge as a tool to gain an advantage over others" and "Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism"... I presume the author is either somewhat young or a programmer (due to his lack of nuance). Or both.

young or a programmer or a capitalist, probably the last two.

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I remember Raskolnikov laying in his bed looking at the patterns of the wallpaper while feeling moody. That may have been the most connected I have felt with a literary character.

mine was No Longer Human when the protagonist sneaks at night to write the gift that he actually wanted from his father (when he said he wanted books earlier when asked, which was unusual). IDK why but I just felt so connected to that character. Perhaps I could see myself doing it.

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Pretty agree with the post but it is funny he discovered that "truth" so late in his life.

I generally consider mathematics and physics as being the higher achievements of human knowledge and it is normal to "worship" them as the most important field of study so much that some people dedicate their entire life to them with the same devotion of true monks.

It is surprising that the author didn't include Physics in the fields that provides valuable and durable knowledge worth to acquire. Mathematics alone is sort of "sterile" when is not used within physics knowledge. Without physics it is a sort of highly abstract beauty that people pursuit only for the sake of it's beauty.

On the other side we have to recognize that both mathematics and physics capture nothing about the experience of life as a human being. For this we need real life experience, knowing other people and exchange with them, study history and read historical and social essays in addition to literature classics.

One will not find in them the sharp accuracy and simple laws that physics and mathematics provides but I guess there is no other way to learn what life is and its partial, imperfect truths.

I also cannot resist to recommend, for those who love reading Dostoevsky, to read also Bulgakov's master and Marguerite which is a true masterpiece of beauty and gives a sharp and deep view of what humanity is.

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While I agree Dostoevsky is worth reading for most, some of the author's statements made me cringe a bit. Like "reading fiction is mostly a waste of time", "knowledge as a tool to gain an advantage over others" and "Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism"... I presume the author is either somewhat young or a programmer (due to his lack of nuance). Or both.

I began reading fiction, science fiction, this year at the age 47. I started with the first book of Dune (out of 6) and now after almost 2000 pages read, I can tell it has been a life changing experience for me to the point I can't no longer watch TV series or even Sci-Fi movies. It all feels boring compared to what I get by reading sci-fi instead. I wish I had picked up this habit earlier in my life.

For the records, I also read Dostoyevsky this year, his "Crime and Punishment".

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> Some deep truths about human nature require instead the reflection provoked by the classics.

Yes, read Dostoevsky and the classics. There is so much to learn and to enjoy.

But remember that great authors didn't discover deep truths of human nature from books alone, but from their attention to the experiences of real life.

“When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. In learning to write, the pupil goes over with his pen what the teacher has outlined in pencil: so in reading; the greater part of the work of thought is already done for us. This is why it relieves us to take up a book after being occupied with our own thoughts. And in reading, the mind is, in fact, only the playground of another’s thoughts. So it comes about that if anyone spends almost the whole day in reading, and by way of relaxation devotes the intervals to some thoughtless pastime, he gradually loses the capacity for thinking; just as the man who always rides, at last forgets how to walk. This is the case with many learned persons: they have read themselves stupid.” - Arthur Schopenhauer

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While I agree Dostoevsky is worth reading for most, some of the author's statements made me cringe a bit. Like "reading fiction is mostly a waste of time", "knowledge as a tool to gain an advantage over others" and "Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism"... I presume the author is either somewhat young or a programmer (due to his lack of nuance). Or both.

I had a similar reaction - the article gives vibes of reductionism and/or as someone pointed out, naivety.

It should be self-evident after a certain point (age) that approaching life through the lense of “what could give me an advantage over others”, whether that’s maths or just knowledge it won’t get you very far or if it does, it will at a severe cost on how you’re perceived in society furthermore interhuman connections will take a toll.

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While I agree Dostoevsky is worth reading for most, some of the author's statements made me cringe a bit. Like "reading fiction is mostly a waste of time", "knowledge as a tool to gain an advantage over others" and "Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism"... I presume the author is either somewhat young or a programmer (due to his lack of nuance). Or both.

I began reading fiction, science fiction, this year at the age 47. I started with the first book of Dune (out of 6) and now after almost 2000 pages read, I can tell it has been a life changing experience for me to the point I can't no longer watch TV series or even Sci-Fi movies. It all feels boring compared to what I get by reading sci-fi instead. I wish I had picked up this habit earlier in my life. For the records…

Hah - I just started on the Dune series myself too!

Am only a hundred pages in or so, but seeing the progress on my e-reader at only 2% makes me quite stoked for what's to come. Sadly I saw the movie (for pt. 1) first, but even so the books add a lot to what the movie attempts to portray.

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The st ligature is interesting. Never seen that before

I noticed this too but I found it distracting and not useful. At first I thought it was a particle of dirty on my screen and realized it was a ligature once I looked more carefully.

I guess a good ligature is one that a reader hardly notice at all.

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