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Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#41

If we could cure some aspects of aging without prolonging life, that seems like it would be an obvious and nearly indisputable good. I'd rather have 80 good years than 80 years of progressive decline.

Well, yes. But you can't eliminate aging without also drastically cutting down on death.

The answer to the article's question is, of course, 'yes'.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#42

We can't currently cure aging and there is little convincing evidence that suggests we will be able to anytime soon. This is despite the claims of many attempts at peddling false hopes by folks like David Sinclair and Aubrey de Grey. We can mitigate some downsides of aging at best. Aging is baked into our genes as natural selection never had a reason to favor any other approach.

Are you basing this on research you've seen that runs counter to the unbridled optimism of Sinclair and others, or is this belief of yours just a consequence of your belief about "natural selection never had a reason to favor any other approach"? I'm just wondering for myself, as an outsider to all this, what reason I would have to take your view rather than theirs.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#45

We can't currently cure aging and there is little convincing evidence that suggests we will be able to anytime soon. This is despite the claims of many attempts at peddling false hopes by folks like David Sinclair and Aubrey de Grey. We can mitigate some downsides of aging at best. Aging is baked into our genes as natural selection never had a reason to favor any other approach.

yes. current medical science is having issues treating simple thing with humans (paralysis or any thing related to it ). solving aging, may be in next 500 years.

Solving aging isn't the sum of all other cures.

It could be just another track of medicine we haven't really begun to formalize correctly

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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While I don’t find the arguments in the article compelling (ie population increases are good as they lead to growth), enabling humans to live forever has a more dire consequence: an acceleration of the inequality gap. Death provides a natural mechanism to reset wealth and power. Without it, power will accumulate to those who already have it, forever.

> Death provides a natural mechanism to reset wealth and power. Have you heard of inheritance?

In some countries, like France, you’re not allowed to give more than x% of your inheritance to a single person.

This has drastic effects on how large multi-generational fortunes are able to grow.

So yeah, death does have an effect on income inequality, as long as the fortunes are split up upon death.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#48

Interestingly the people who say others should die to “fix” overpopulation change their minds when they’re up. We can solve overpopulation in other ways than letting people die.

The very idea of “overpopulation” is a rich man’s trick to arrest Humanity’s collectively-singular evolution to Oneness. We can become The Pyramid Unfinished together instead, racing against ourself to convert lifetimes worth of our only truly-limited human resource (our attention) into a non-human form that can be accumulated into a godlike simulacrum, beating death via the symmetric property of equality where money also equals time :)

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Yes. No question. "Blah blah eternal life oligarchs or whatever" - who cares it's not like we don't have that problem now. Those people are powerful because we let them be, it's not innate. Maybe we might do something about the problem when there's a risk it'll last forever rather then pretending it's not a systemic failure. If it's possible to do, it's going to be done: the question is actually "should we let poor p…

In the USA, the baby boomer gerontocracy has amassed dominating wealth and power to the detriment of all. It's daunting to imagine a world where they never die. "Do something about it" is much easier said than done.

Another angle: what's science going to be like when no-one ever retires from faculty positions?

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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post #23

While I don’t find the arguments in the article compelling (ie population increases are good as they lead to growth), enabling humans to live forever has a more dire consequence: an acceleration of the inequality gap. Death provides a natural mechanism to reset wealth and power. Without it, power will accumulate to those who already have it, forever.

> Death provides a natural mechanism to reset wealth and power. Have you heard of inheritance?

>Have you heard of inheritance?

A powerful businessman living forever isn't the same thing as inheriting his son. Children rarely follow in the footsteps of their fathers. What if Warren buffet lived forever, for example? He's very good at saving money and investing. He'll eventually just have a large portion of the wealth that exists

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