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Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Interestingly the people who say others should die to “fix” overpopulation change their minds when they’re up. We can solve overpopulation in other ways than letting people die.

It's obviously bad to want other people to die but there is a case to be made that no life (that can suffer) should be created. It also depend on what we mean by immortal, are they technically just alive? Or actively flourishing?

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#12

If science invented a way to turn each human into an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, bioethicists would have an essay five minutes later about how deeply problematic it was. No one loves throwing cold water over literally everything more than bioethicists.

As a bioethicist, your job description is to find a problematic angle on anything.

No one is paying you to say everything is fine!

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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If science invented a way to turn each human into an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, bioethicists would have an essay five minutes later about how deeply problematic it was. No one loves throwing cold water over literally everything more than bioethicists.

As a bioethicist, your job description is to find a problematic angle on anything. No one is paying you to say everything is fine!

Hm, is that an ethical way to approach ethics? I think it's problematic, honestly.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#14
The cost to manufacture medicine is cheap. The cost of surgical procedures and rehabilitation costs are extreme. Seems like a no brainer, and even accounting for the social effects of people living longer the odds are people will die of something in 300 years on average. If the gov wants a healthy and productive workforce, funding and providing medicine to slow down or stop aging will be a boon to society.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Yes. No question. "Blah blah eternal life oligarchs or whatever" - who cares it's not like we don't have that problem now. Those people are powerful because we let them be, it's not innate. Maybe we might do something about the problem when there's a risk it'll last forever rather then pretending it's not a systemic failure. If it's possible to do, it's going to be done: the question is actually "should we let poor p…

You do realize it's only going to be available for very rich people right? Assuming that the technology is not trivial, only the rich will ever get it. Same thing with genetically modified kids. Even if it is trivial, corporations will just hike up the price because clearly everyone wants it.

The history of pretty much all inventions is that only the rich get it at first.

After a while the slightly less rich get it, and after a few decades, it's everyone's absolute birthright.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#16

Interestingly the people who say others should die to “fix” overpopulation change their minds when they’re up. We can solve overpopulation in other ways than letting people die.

It's obviously bad to want other people to die but there is a case to be made that no life (that can suffer) should be created. It also depend on what we mean by immortal, are they technically just alive? Or actively flourishing?

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

#17
I’d be just fine with science prolonging my prime years, even if it didn’t mean living longer. My hope is that the life of my eyes, skin, and teeth are all able to make it in good condition into relatively old age — I don’t necessarily mean looking younger per se, but in good/decent working order.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Lionel Shriver’s ‘Should We Stay or Should We Go’ (book, 2021) is a fun look at this idea. No-spoiler TL;DR: a couple decide to end it when she hits 80, because they know that life only gets worse. The book plays through various scenarios: some positive, some negative.

My grandmother lived almost two decades longer than that and was enjoying life immensely until about 5 days before she died.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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We can't currently cure aging and there is little convincing evidence that suggests we will be able to anytime soon. This is despite the claims of many attempts at peddling false hopes by folks like David Sinclair and Aubrey de Grey. We can mitigate some downsides of aging at best. Aging is baked into our genes as natural selection never had a reason to favor any other approach.

Re: Science says we could “cure” ageing. But should we?

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Imagine that the status quo was that everyone lived forever. If someone suggested that we should kill literally everyone to solve overpopulation or rich people or meaning of life or whatever, they would rightly be called batshit insane.

I think this is the appropriate framing.

The problems that would arise as a result of a “cure for aging” should result in societal decisions that fix existing problems we just push to the side because death kind of solves them.

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