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Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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I've been banned-for-life from a handful of services after I lied about my age as a kid. I can see both (all?) sides of this: - As a society we ought to be forgiving of harmless youthful indiscretions - As a business you shouldn't have to give second chances to people who blatantly defraud you - There is a big can of worms when it comes to doing business with minors on the internet. I don't think there's a solution a…

I think the solution is "the right to fucking delete your account forver". Google keeping "limbo" accounts is dystopian, and seems like a GDPR violation to me.

At least the GPDR should allow you to correct the age. I don't think it has any provisions that say that if you entered incorrect data yourself, you waive your right to have data corrected.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

#93
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As someone who operated on the "adult internet" with payment processors and related infrastructure without being 18, I still carry forward the constant fear that I'll be banned for retroactive Terms of Service violations incurred when I was a kid. It really sucks when it's services like AdSense because you're just screwed forever. I really really wish the internet was more supportive of "early hackers" who want to ex…

> As someone who operated on the "adult internet" with payment processors and related infrastructure without being 18, I still carry forward the constant fear that I'll be banned for retroactive Terms of Service violations incurred when I was a kid. It really sucks when it's services like AdSense because you're just screwed forever. The thing is, most parents wouldn't even think "Oh, you'll need to do that in my name…

Mine thought "wtf is he on about" :D

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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dystopia does not require the government - in fact some popular fictional dystopias are when corporations can control/etc without the government intervening. So maybe just don't word police other people because you don't like their words.

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Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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"By submitting an application to use the Services, if you are an individual, you represent that you are at least 18 years of age... Google may at any time terminate your Account because of ... your failure to otherwise fully comply with the AdSense Policies... If ... Google suspends or terminates your Account, you (i) are prohibited from creating a new Account, and (ii) may not be permitted to monetize content on oth…

a) Imagine you are 13 years old and actually reading Terms of Services. Just imagine you are under 18. b) It's legal speak mentioning "you cannot create a new account" but it doesn't say you can't try to fix the problems about your existing account. The problem is there is nobody to reach for mistakes or downright violations from Google's side. It doesn't work to help people with good intentions realizing their error…

> a) Imagine you are 13 years old and actually reading Terms of Services. Just imagine you are under 18.

No need to imagine because I did exactly that (read my other comment). Let's get into this:

> c) It's not mentioning that you will forever be blocked because you misrepresented your age for whatever the reason (just an unaware click is enough).

It is mentioning SPECIFICALLY that. And an unaware click is not enough, you have to go through the trouble of reading the contract (or scrolling past it), checking a lot of boxes, saying you agree to the contract, and that's only after you in your own will and power decided to search for this. You also get to change your birthday once in your Google account if you made any mistakes during singup.

> If Google was actually serious in enforcing the policy, they would just check any detail that could trigger this user could be below 18 years of age. As you read here, they don't spend much of an effort to avoid this scenario. AI works just to block you, not to avoid your downfall.

Then people will complain that they require documentation, privacy this, privacy that. Mind you that I would never submit an ID to Google to verify my identity, but honestly that's the only way they can actually verify your age.

I'm not a fan of Google and it's autobanning processes with no recourse, but this is a special case where I think it's completely justified looking from their side and all the liabilities they have if they decide to backtrack on something like this.

For them someone is going to criticize them either way they take, so they choose the easier and simpler path of permabanning.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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As someone who operated on the "adult internet" with payment processors and related infrastructure without being 18, I still carry forward the constant fear that I'll be banned for retroactive Terms of Service violations incurred when I was a kid. It really sucks when it's services like AdSense because you're just screwed forever. I really really wish the internet was more supportive of "early hackers" who want to ex…

I get that there are tons of implications around contract law and child labor here, but there really needs to be an escape hatch if a parent agrees to whatever activity is being done. While it's happening, it can be done using the parent's identity. After that, the same logic that prevents a minor to commit, because limited responsability, should be applied to avoid perpetual consequences. But as usual, companies app…

>” But as usual, companies apply draconian measures that governments can't. Some day we'll finally get that regulation that draws a line between utilities and publishers..”

Technically true, but the government often uses regulations and investigatory powers to compel private corporations to enact draconian regulations that the government cannot enact on its own.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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A lot of dystopian scifi involves corporations; Robocop, Weyland-Yutani Corp from Aliens, etc. Google's got more power than substantial numbers of governments.

And yet Google can't come knock on your door and take you away. Calling it dystopian can only come from an incredibly sheltered individual who has never faced any real danger.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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I think the solution is "the right to fucking delete your account forver". Google keeping "limbo" accounts is dystopian, and seems like a GDPR violation to me.

It's not a GDPR violation. https://gdpr.eu/recital-47-overriding-legitimate-interest/ > The processing of personal data strictly necessary for the purposes of preventing fraud also constitutes a legitimate interest of the data controller concerned.

"legitimate" is doing a lot of work here.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

#100
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> if a parent agrees to whatever activity is being done My mom definitely wouldn’t be able to provide informed consent to half the stuff I was doing on the internet in high school and middle school even if I told her about it. She worried, I’m sure, but between speaking next to zero english and the novelty of www in the early 00’s, best she could do was threaten to take the computer if things got too weird.

When I was a kid, i hosted WC3 beta cracks, patches, and servers on our ISP Webspace. Blizzard had some call our ISP, who called my dad, who told me to stop doing whatever it was that got people mad It feel like nowadays, it'd have resulted in a lawsuit, but at least threatening lawyer letters. edit: Archive.org link to the site. With a visitor counter and cringy teeny-sounding English ;) https://web.archive.org/web/…

Nothing beats "Stop using Mandrake, this is illegal software and we will get sued!"

On that note, my sister can't wrap her head around the fact that people can have multiple bank accounts and many of them are completely free.

She looks at my collection of cards and says "omg the Finanzamt will get you!".

Just wait until they get you for making money off TikTok videos lol

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