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Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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post #11

"By submitting an application to use the Services, if you are an individual, you represent that you are at least 18 years of age... Google may at any time terminate your Account because of ... your failure to otherwise fully comply with the AdSense Policies... If ... Google suspends or terminates your Account, you (i) are prohibited from creating a new Account, and (ii) may not be permitted to monetize content on oth…

a) Imagine you are 13 years old and actually reading Terms of Services. Just imagine you are under 18.

b) It's legal speak mentioning "you cannot create a new account" but it doesn't say you can't try to fix the problems about your existing account. The problem is there is nobody to reach for mistakes or downright violations from Google's side. It doesn't work to help people with good intentions realizing their errors.

c) It's not mentioning that you will forever be blocked because you misrepresented your age for whatever the reason (just an unaware click is enough).

If Google was actually serious in enforcing the policy, they would just check any detail that could trigger this user could be below 18 years of age. As you read here, they don't spend much of an effort to avoid this scenario. AI works just to block you, not to avoid your downfall.

d) I wonder Google informs kids this much before making money on free content they upload on Youtube. It's not hard to see this is one-sided exploitation in business sense.

So... pretty clear, yeah.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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post #20
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would having a human in the loop accomplish in this case? Doesn't strike me as the poster child of a massive injustice

Human in the loop could redirect payments to their parent without a lifetime ban. Children do unwise things all the time. Google's growth rates are starting to plateau, and they might want to revisit the legion of people they've robobanned from spending on their platforms.

The problem is minors can’t legally enter into binding contracts (with a very small number of exceptions, none of which this even approaches)

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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post #20
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would having a human in the loop accomplish in this case? Doesn't strike me as the poster child of a massive injustice

Human in the loop could redirect payments to their parent without a lifetime ban. Children do unwise things all the time. Google's growth rates are starting to plateau, and they might want to revisit the legion of people they've robobanned from spending on their platforms.

It may not be possible for Google to do that redirect without incurring legal liability.

Fraud occurred here. Google just shuffling the shells might be aiding and abetting fraud.

(The law here isn't set up just to protect Google; nor is it set up to just protect the kid. It ties into broader societal protections against child exploitation and child labor. So Google runs the risk of tripping over criminal liability, in which case the end result is no longer in the hands of any of the immediate parties. Their policies are maximally paranoid to avoid that outcome).

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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I’ve been banned on google ads for circumventing systems for about 2 years now. This is apparently their highest offense and to be perfectly honest I still have no idea what I did. I don’t think I’ve ever spent more than a couple hundred bucks on google ads and one day I was just banned and my ads were stopped.

So as far as I can tell there’s plenty of not so clear things that will get you banned from google ads, don’t build your life and business around that advertising stream is what I learned.

That and that there are better advertising avenues for the niches I tend to care about.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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post #11

"By submitting an application to use the Services, if you are an individual, you represent that you are at least 18 years of age... Google may at any time terminate your Account because of ... your failure to otherwise fully comply with the AdSense Policies... If ... Google suspends or terminates your Account, you (i) are prohibited from creating a new Account, and (ii) may not be permitted to monetize content on oth…

But it's not clear how someone under the age of 18 can agree to a contract.

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Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very unwise to lie to a service provider when they explicitly ask, especially when setting up an account where money will change hands. That is technically actual fraud. Google's not gating out under-18-year-olds for fun: they're a business, they'd love to make more money. Contract law in the US forbids people under 18 from entering into broad categories of contract, and Adsense use operates under electronic con…

> Google opens themselves up to huge liability if they inadvertently do business with a minor, which is why they're so paranoid about the lock-out. What liability is that? Genuinely asking because I've never heard that concern.

The "under-18-year-olds can't enter into contracts" laws are, broadly speaking, derived historically from child labor protection concerns, and tend to be state-level law.

There's very real risk that legitimizing a contract with a child opens Google up to expensive-to-litigate criminal liability.

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

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I received a lifelong ban on using Google Ad products when I was 16 after experimenting with clicking my own ads (and asking my high school friends to click on them). I remember the account accumulated almost $80 before Google detected the suspicious activity and banned me. Given that this was 16 years ago, it would be nice to get second chance..

Now apply that logic to billions of users…

Re: Google Adsense/Admob blocks you for life if you use it before you're 18

#39
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is very unwise to use any Google product or service for any business purpose.

It's very unwise to lie to a service provider when they explicitly ask, especially when setting up an account where money will change hands. That is technically actual fraud. Google's not gating out under-18-year-olds for fun: they're a business, they'd love to make more money. Contract law in the US forbids people under 18 from entering into broad categories of contract, and Adsense use operates under electronic con…

> That is technically actual fraud.

That would depend on whose laws you were applying. In a lot of places, fraud requires a misrepresentation that's actually material to the transaction, and a court could come down on either side of the question of whether the user's age was material in the necessary way.

> Google opens themselves up to huge liability if they inadvertently do business with a minor, which is why they're so paranoid about the lock-out.

No, they really don't. They might open themselves up to limited liability if they let a minor do something that lost said minor money. They also might not be able to enforce some of the "take it or leave it" provisions of their terms against minors (of course, in a sane legal system they wouldn't be able to enforce those terms against anybody, but you don't see many if any sane legal systems).

But they do not open themselves up to "huge liability".

Nonetheless, they don't choose to take even those small risks. Mostly, I suspect, because the response wouldn't be automatable. Google hates anything that's not automatable, and vehemently resists manually fixing anything. That applies to interacting with adults, too, and to cases where you haven't even actually violated their policies, but the automation happens to be wrong, which happens all the time.

Which is why nobody of any age should be depending on Google.

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