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Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Florida is pretty low on federally funding dependency ranking.

I do not see how that could be just from all the old people receiving social security/Medicare benefits.

Yes and despite that they have below average per capita federal aid. Not only that, they had a record surplus in their state budget the last year. If someone were to try and attempt to portray Florida as some fiscally irresponsible welfare state, I would assert they would be quite misguided.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Yes, 1000x this. It is frustrating to be sending piles of money to these states every year, which they then waste on political stunts like flying legal immigrants to other states, instead of taking care of their citizens, or maybe investing in climate hardening. And then they're completely unprepared for cold weather, hot weather, wet weather, dry weather, ... and say things like "Nobody knew ___ could be so complica…

The reason people live in coastal regions is because there are outsized economic benefits to the hinterlands that may outweigh the damage these storms inflict. The interface between land and sea is crucially important for the survival of civilization at our scale. Under "2 and done", do you restore critical port infrastructure to dunes if they get destroyed by a hurricane twice? Port infrastructure can't exist on its…

Private insurers will not cover homes in coastal areas that flood frequently. It is simply not financially viable. Many beach properties have subsidized government insurance.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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If the irresponsible people who insist on living in hurricane prone areas pay for their own repairs, then I have no problem with them living there. If they ask for me to pay for it, then that gives me moral buy in into whether they should be allowed to live there.

I mean is it irresponsible to live in a hurricane prone area? For example I live in Puerto Rico. Do you want everyone to just leave?

> I mean is it irresponsible to live in a hurricane prone area?

Climate change really doesn't have an opinion on this. Here's a paper from the EPA:

"What Climate Change Means for Puerto Rico"

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/sites/production/files...

As someone who believes climate change is fact, if I had the economic mobility to move my life away from such an area I would. Sorry if this seems harsh, but people much smarter than me agree that these areas are going to be prone to worse and worse conditions in the coming decades.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Apalled at the comments here, can we please just have some empathy for a second and put politics aside?

I mean, I live there and the average costal Floridian in my area is completely deaf to the risks and what’s coming with climate change. The whole thing is a raging party on the Timucua native burial grounds. I watched dozens of new million dollar houses built in obvious flood zones over the past few years near me. They are all waist deep in floodwater. It’s not an “I told you so” moment at all. It’s like the inevitability of rain coming right on schedule.

Everyone kept asking me when I was going to buy a house and telling me how much money I was going to make on the appreciation and it was all so preposterous, like a bitcoin moon fantasy. In all likelihood, within my lifetime my part of Florida will return to the sea from whence it came. I have always seen the floodwaters because they have always been there. Now everyone else can see them too.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

#135

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Hurricanes are a fact of life in the gulf and southeastern atlantic coasts. There is no area that has not have been hit twice already in the past century. So all this coastline should be dunes and park spaces?

Public funds should not pay to rebuild the same property more than 1-2 times within N years. You either: a) Build the property to withstand all but 1-2 statistically expected hurricanes within that N year period. This is possible, it's just costly. b) You don't get public funds c) You get private insurance d) You don't build

> Public funds should not pay to rebuild the same property more than 1-2 times within N years.

No doubt with N carefully calibrated to depopulate the parts of the country you don't like, but not the part you live in.

The west coast has too many earthquakes, depopulate it!

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

#136

Apalled at the comments here, can we please just have some empathy for a second and put politics aside?

Florida, as a state, doesn't vote the correct, HN/tech crowd, way. Therefore, they should be ostracized and ridiculed with every chance given. Every Floridian is sub-human.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Legal immigrants? The feds flew or bused illegal border crossers who were processed and released to many states, including Florida. Yes it was a political stunt to move them again, but how is it worse than what the feds are doing?

No they were lawful asylum seekers.

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Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.

Or hardened against that type of damage. After floods or wildfires or tornadoes or earthquakes, you'll see some buildings are a pile of rubble and others just need brushed off. These locales should be making these requirements a part of their building codes. But I suspect they are addicted to FEMA money and actually prefer having local stimulus in their economies every few years.

Definitely. Revise the building codes, and after doing so, if it becomes prohibitively expensive or just not worth building in that area, then we'll know that it's no longer a viable place to build.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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post #89

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If the irresponsible people who insist on living in hurricane prone areas pay for their own repairs, then I have no problem with them living there. If they ask for me to pay for it, then that gives me moral buy in into whether they should be allowed to live there.

I mean is it irresponsible to live in a hurricane prone area? For example I live in Puerto Rico. Do you want everyone to just leave?

I want you or the polluters who are causing climate change to pay the cost. Leave me out of it.
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