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I'll generously assume that you mean 3d printers, to help make housing for the affected people there. Otherwise, I feel like your comment is even less constructive than my interpretation.
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#72This seems like an opportunity for more high rise mixed use buildings that do not have essential functions on the bottom floors. The older SFH's were probably most effected and newer SFH's despite stricter building codes are not resistant to this extreme weather patterns long term. The government needs to incentivize development that benefits economies of scale and disincentivize "disposable"/"perishable" development.
Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B
#73I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.
Under that rule, what exactly is your plan for replacing all the life-critical logistics infrastructure across the entire Gulf coast? Just abandon the whole thing as a sacrifice zone? How exactly are you going to do any international shipping? Get goods down the Mississippi? Refine half the gasoline the country uses? People don't live in hurricane zones because it's fun. People live there because that's where the job…
> People don't live in hurricane zones because it's fun.
People absolutely live in Florida for that reason; people flock there for retirement.
> Under that rule, what exactly is your plan for replacing all the life-critical logistics infrastructure across the entire Gulf coast?
Strict building codes, no more building below sea level as with New Orleans. Even a few miles from the ocean can often be enough to change "my house swam away" into "we had some trees downed".
Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B
#74I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.
I must say that is a terrible idea. Should parts of CA or other earthquake prone areas be labelled uninhabitable? What about areas where forest fires are routine? Flood prone areas? Tornado prone areas? High UV? Poor air quality? It makes no sense whatsoever to dictate that people cannot live on the coasts due to natural disasters which happen everywhere, all the time. Frankly, being told where to live is more garish…
I think you're misunderstanding what they're saying. They're saying that federal funds should not be used to repair/replace infrastructure in places that are highly prone to natural disasters. If you have two total-loss natural disasters in less than 50 years either the infrastructure is unsuitable to the risks, or there is no infrastructure suitable for the risks.
Are you saying that unmitigated flood prone areas _should_ be habitable? And the cost of that underwritten with public funds?
There are people who have their house rebuilt every ~15 years from hurricanes with public funds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Flood_Insurance_Progr...
>The NFIP is managed and administered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) through the Federal Insurance and Mitigation Administration (FIMA).[1] The program is designed to provide an insurance alternative to disaster assistance to meet the escalating costs of repairing damage to buildings and their contents caused by floods.[2] As of August 2017, the program insured about 5 million homes (down from about 5.5 million homes in April 2010), the majority of which are in Texas and Florida.[3][4] The cost of the insurance program was fully covered by its premiums until the end of 2004, but it has had to steadily borrow funds since, primarily due to Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy, accumulating $25 billion of debt by August 2017.[3][5] In October 2017, Congress cancelled $16 billion of NFIP debt, making it possible for the program to pay claims. The NFIP owes $20.525 billion to the U.S. as of December 2020.[6]
I think being that you're so ruggedly individualistic, maybe pull yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your own repairs?
If you're footing the bill for fair market insurance, those places quickly get returned to the environment because it makes no economic sense to build there. Or it does, and the federal government still doesn't have to pay for it.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is being told where to live. But there is no reason to subsidize property prices in areas by providing federal taxpayer subsidized insurance. Providing taxpayer subsidized insurance allows people to buy properties with a larger mortgage (for which banks require flood insurance), which allows property prices to rise higher than they would have without taxpayer subsidized insurance.
"We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces." My response was to this comment at the top, where it was, explicitly and objectively, supporting a policy that dictates where people should live.
Oh yes, sorry, I forgot that was the comment you were responding to.
Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B
#76I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.
Yes, 1000x this. It is frustrating to be sending piles of money to these states every year, which they then waste on political stunts like flying legal immigrants to other states, instead of taking care of their citizens, or maybe investing in climate hardening. And then they're completely unprepared for cold weather, hot weather, wet weather, dry weather, ... and say things like "Nobody knew ___ could be so complica…
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I'll generously assume that you mean 3d printers, to help make housing for the affected people there. Otherwise, I feel like your comment is even less constructive than my interpretation.
I assumed they were talking about printing money and worsening inflation.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public funds should not pay to rebuild the same property more than 1-2 times within N years. You either: a) Build the property to withstand all but 1-2 statistically expected hurricanes within that N year period. This is possible, it's just costly. b) You don't get public funds c) You get private insurance d) You don't build
No problem, so long as you pay for your own college, health insurance, and unemployment.
Having people educated, healthy, and protected from the damages of homelessness all have positive externalities. Paying people to return to areas that are regularly ravaged by massive storms only benefits them until the next storm and doesn't represent a long term good, especially in the face of climate change.
Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is being told where to live. But there is no reason to subsidize property prices in areas by providing federal taxpayer subsidized insurance. Providing taxpayer subsidized insurance allows people to buy properties with a larger mortgage (for which banks require flood insurance), which allows property prices to rise higher than they would have without taxpayer subsidized insurance.
"We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces." My response was to this comment at the top, where it was, explicitly and objectively, supporting a policy that dictates where people should live.
FEMA doesn't decide where you live, but they do provide federally subsidized flood insurance. He's suggesting that we should stop doing that for two total loss events on the same property.
Folks have had their houses rebuilt with other people's money really often - and build it in the exact same spot, because the feds will come build it again. Even though it's going to get destroyed, again.
Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B
#80I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.
Same for San Francisco. Two earthquakes and it must be returned back to the swamp.
New York got hit bad with Sandy. Thirty years or so and we might level it too.
It turns out that with climate change, nothing is going to be safe. And with the pacific shelf, we will always have that as an issue too.