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Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Rand, why did you choose to use the Hubspot term Inbound Marketing? Inbound Marketing is more often used as a replacement for Market Research. Your definition really means Permission Marketing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbound_marketing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permission_marketing

In 2009, Hubspot decided to coin the term Inbound Marketing in a new way so they can claim the space ("first inbound marketing software"). Since then, they changed the entire Google results (starting with Wikipedia) so that they come up on most queries. The rare times I used Inbound Marketing with traditional marketers, they always meant Market Research.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Rand, why did you choose to use the Hubspot term Inbound Marketing ? Inbound Marketing is more often used as a replacement for Market Research . Your definition really means Permission Marketing . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbound_marketing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permission_marketing In 2009, Hubspot decided to coin the term Inbound Marketing in a new way so they can claim the space ("first inbound marketing…

I was never actually aware of the "market research" definition; this is the first I've heard of it.

At Moz, I've long been looking for a phrase that means "content marketing + white hat SEO + social media + email marketing + conversion rate optimization." Inbound marketing has come to take on that definition, and I like the terminology. Permission marketing always had an association to me with list building (usually email), but never SEO, social, CRO, etc.

If another term/phrase catches on that encompasses all those facets of organic/natural/inbound/white hat/mostly-non-paid web marketing, I'd likely switch to that. In the meantime, it's far easier and more comfortable to go with the prevailing convention.

BTW - Saw your other comment below and am totally flattered. Not sure how I can live up to that, but thank you :-)

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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When asked about paid marketing. Starts around 74:30 "Holy crazy crap does retargeting work." "If you do great inbound, the first money you should spend should be on retargeting... people that were sort of interested but left" "...uses a company called has offers in Seattle - they've been very effective for us". "would not recommend raw display. It will perform poorly for you."

I'm part of a stealth startup that's handling retargeting for about 30 startups now and I can confirm that it is indeed a brutally effective method for acquiring users. We're seeing that on average, retargeted ads perform about 350% better than any other kind of targeted ad. It seems a little crazy until you recalibrate your understanding of what's happening. Instead of trying to push new information on a user (which…

Do you offer anything over Google's boomerang retargeting?

We've already had decent success with that.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Got an email that if I upvote this item on Hacker News I get two free months of SEOMoz. How much of that sort of stuff happens here? How many of the 127+ points this item has are from incentivized SEO?

That's alarming. From a technical viewpoint, I wonder how they can make sure a person has indeed upvoted the article.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm part of a stealth startup that's handling retargeting for about 30 startups now and I can confirm that it is indeed a brutally effective method for acquiring users. We're seeing that on average, retargeted ads perform about 350% better than any other kind of targeted ad. It seems a little crazy until you recalibrate your understanding of what's happening. Instead of trying to push new information on a user (which…

Do you offer anything over Google's boomerang retargeting? We've already had decent success with that.

Massively wider reach for your ads.

My understanding of Google's program is that it runs your ad across its DoubleClick exchange. We run our clients ads across DoubleClick just like them... as well as the rest of the ad networks... plus our publisher partner inventory. Google's DoubleClick inventory is a part of our overall inventory.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Got an email that if I upvote this item on Hacker News I get two free months of SEOMoz. How much of that sort of stuff happens here? How many of the 127+ points this item has are from incentivized SEO?

Sorry about that confusion. I misworded that email.

That's not at _all_ what I meant, and I didn't mean to game the system at all. I apologize about the confusion.

For various reasons, I'm not really active on this community any more. So, I asked H&F members if they would be kind enough to do if for me.

I asked H&F members to submit and upvote, tweet, like and Google Plus to give Rand some press.

Rand flew down to SV on his own dime to talk to our H&F members for free. He didn't ask us to promote SEOMoz, and never required anything out of us. He was truly one of the most delightful, genuine and kind speakers that we've had at H&F. I'm more than happy to do whatever I can to help him and his company out.

BizSpark sponsored the event by buying everyone pizza and beer. H&F doesn't get a dime out of this. Hackers & Founders is completely boot strapped ourselves, and do a lot of this for love of the game. And, we're pursuing becoming a for benefit corporation.

When Rand and I first started talking, about speaking to our people a few months ago. I arranged for SEOMoz to give H&F members two free months of SEOMoz for free. I emailed that offer to our people last month, but no one signed up. I figured that after Rand spoke, people would be a bit more interested in trying the SEOMoz service out.

I emailed the link to the free trial out with the link to the video to our Meetup, because I'd received about 20 emails asking for both the video as well as the free trial in the past 24 hours.

The free trial is also publicly available as a sponsor link on our meetup page at http://www.hackersandfounders.com.

I apologize if people thought that I was trying to game the system. I'm not. I'm trying to give a friend, and a great entrepreneur a boost. He helped out community out a great deal. His writing has helped me out a great deal in the past.

And, for what it's worth, SEOMOz has an affiliate program. If people sign up for a one month trial, the referrers get $25. It's not really worth that effort for me, and that's not what H&F does. So, we chose to waive the affiliate fee and SEOMoz chipped in the extra month to help everybody out.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Is this video worth watching? Why?

This comments thread contains several comments from people who seem to have got something valuable from this video, but I have not been able to gather what that something is. There also seems to be a lot of SEO fluff here, which should be downvoted.

Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Got an email that if I upvote this item on Hacker News I get two free months of SEOMoz. How much of that sort of stuff happens here? How many of the 127+ points this item has are from incentivized SEO?

Sorry about that confusion. I misworded that email. That's not at _all_ what I meant, and I didn't mean to game the system at all. I apologize about the confusion. For various reasons, I'm not really active on this community any more. So, I asked H&F members if they would be kind enough to do if for me. I asked H&F members to submit and upvote, tweet, like and Google Plus to give Rand some press. Rand flew down to SV…

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Re: Rand Fishkin: Inbound Marketing for Startups

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Got an email that if I upvote this item on Hacker News I get two free months of SEOMoz. How much of that sort of stuff happens here? How many of the 127+ points this item has are from incentivized SEO?

And, in the spirit of full disclosure, the actual email I sent out to the members of our meetup:

Video of Rand Fishkin's presentation, Gaining Traction: Inbound Marketing for Startups is live. One of the best presentations I've been at in a long time. I'll be watching it a couple of times.

Slides of the presentation are here.

I'd love for the video to make it to the top of Hacker News.... I'm not active on that site any more. Could ya'll hook a brother up?

I'd love to give Rand and SEOMoz.org some press, to boost their sales. He's an amazing guy, and SEOMoz is killer.

Help H&F help you...

The more views we get on those videos, the BizSpark team prove to their bosses that's it's worth buying all of you pizza and beer and wine, and renting out the "Fancy Pants" auditorium for us. It costs them about $20k every time we host an event there. ( Laura and I don't get anything out of it. )

So, if you'd like us to host more of those presentations...

Facebookify, Tweetify, Quorify, social newsif-y, etc...

Thanks

And, for helping out with that, you get:

Two free months of SEOMoz.

Seriously, it kicks ass. Try it out on your site.

Cheers,

Jonathan

Poorly worded, and I apologize for the confusion. See my other reply...

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