Now they should open source it
Google is shutting down Stadia
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#972A lot of AAA games presumably got ported to Linux so that they would run on Stadia. Were those efforts funded by Google? I wonder if we saw more proper Linux game client releases as a result, and whether we'll see fewer Linux ports in the future.
I am surprised to see that this quite Linux centric community missing the obvious. With Stadia support 'cleaned up' from game engines it is a game over for Linux desktop gaming.
Fortunately the Steam Deck[0] is still helping push for Linux game support although their approach is centered a lot more on emulating Windows games. According to their Steam Deck verified[1] program it seems to be working.
[0]: https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck [1]: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified
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#973Who else has noticed that when an HN post reaches critical mass, people mostly just reply to the first comment and don't see anything beneath? (even if there are other very worthy top-level comments). Anyone have a good idea for how to remedy this? Or do you feel like it's a feature not a bug?
I had a feeling they shuffled comments randomly a few times during the first 1-2h after post creation. But I guess you are right, it's easier to get noticed by bandwagoning the most popular comment.
Maybe if there are a lot of comments - display five randomly chosen and get those up/down voted first before showing everything else?
But there would still be a problem with some just having longer lifetime hence higher chance of being in the top than others.
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#974Just a couple of months ago. "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro." https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656
Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…
>> I have no doubt whoever launched [project name] got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether [project name] was a success long term.
Same story in every company I've worked in. It's like the time horizon only goes as far as the next quarter.
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#975Seems the Stadia engineers were only told this morning by Google. https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/xrcea4/comment/iqe3...
Isn't it really messed up to find out you lost your job the same time as the rest of the world?
It is so extremely common that we were educated about it repeatedly in Engineering school.
Entire divisions get shut down over night when stock values go down. This is reality in the largest corporations (P&G, GE, GM, etc). Often the managers don't even know they are on the block.
Maybe Silicon Valley has been shielded from this reality of corporate culture in established industry by stocks that have tended to go up.
But also I suspect there are probably compliance issues related to insider trading about giving employees with stock or stock options a heads up.
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#976Everybody is talking about how terrible Google and their culture is, so I'll just put it out there that this is great news for gamers. Cloud-based gaming services are a terrible deal for gamers. Gamers shouldn't cede so much control to some 3rd party who will be watching over their shoulder and collecting every scrap of data on them and their friends while they play. We don't need our performance in games being used…
I think you miss a really important use-case for stadia and cloud based gaming: infrequent players. Such players usually use consoles, which are no better than cloud based gaming for forcing updates to content. I jump into a match of apex legends every 3-4 weeks, maybe I get an afternoon to play because my partner has decided to go out with her friends. What usually happens is that I launch my PlayStation and it spen…
FWIW, your PlayStation will update on its own if left in rest mode.
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#977Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember every single article when they first announced contained at least a few sentences wondering when Google would shut Stadia down. Because it was a Google project, Stadia was doomed from the start.
On the other hand, I also remember all the hype that it received (though maybe I live in a tech-obsessed bubble). "OMG, it will change everything you know about gaming". All my colleagues were so convinced that it was a technical breakthrough (maybe it was, I dunno), and that everyone will be playing with it because it is simply so amazing and revolutionary. My opinion was "yeah, cool, but I just don't see it". It wa…
I think there was and still is potential in cloud game streaming, its more a failure in execution. In theory we have an incredible amount of mostly idle silicon in peoples homes that with raising bandwidth and decreasing latencies become increasingly wasteful. It seems to me quite obvious that eventually there will be no particular reason why we need game consoles or high-powered gaming pcs at all. We can get much better efficiency if the compute necessary to render and simulate games happens in a shared cloud system.
Not that the economy really cares about wasteful consumption now of course, but there might be natural influences that may eventually force it to care about it.
We also never really explored what cloud-native games actually mean. Like what could we do with cloud games that we couldn't on a console? What does it mean to the compute budgets, to asset streaming, to multiplayer between cloud instances, if we could more efficiently use gpu resources if multiple players use the same gpu to play the same game, can we make multiplayer games in the cloud that are impossible any other way? etc. It feels like no game developer thought about what cloud gaming actually could mean, this could be a very exciting space in a few decades from now.
I think Stadia wasn't really a product developed by remotely competent people, they did so many mistakes that it feels like almost anybody could've told them. There even were detailed early reviews of the many issues with the platform, but they never addressed any of them. Its like they burned money it was weird.
Tying it to an expensive, mediocre controller instead of "runs on anything with a modern browser" was especially confusing to me, it seemed so incredibly foolish.
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#978Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mostly agree with you, but I downvoted your comment because > We devoted an entire month of resources to this project and thought that was enough! ...is not just wildly inaccurate, but also disrespectful to the people who spent years working on it.
but also disrespectful to the people who spent years working on it. Something being tragic doesn't make it not a waste of time. The writing was on the wall since day one . Nobody was going to pay full price for games that evaporate the moment the servers shut down being offered by the most ADHD company in existence. If you chose to spend your time and energy working on that and expected to accomplish anything other t…
> Nobody was going to pay full price for games that evaporate the moment the servers shut down
Eh that's true for Steam, Epic, GoG, et al. If anything, regular people trust Google way more than those other companies since they use the browser/search engine/mail/youtube every single day
I do think it was doomed from the start, but only because the subset of people that have high speed internet, disposable income, like gaming and DON'T already own a PC or console is a very very small market
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#979Somehow I don't think this surprised anyone. I just did a quick check and the same people who were making these kinds of decisions when I was there all appear to still be there (at least by their social status indicators like LinkedIn, Twitter, and Facebook). Back in early 2009 when "the mortgage crisis" was the big financial scare, I talked with folks about the difference between "moon shots" and "products". The for…
If it make you feel any better, they eliminated exit interviews a few years back.
That is one way to stop feeling bad that you ignored what people told you on the way out!
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#980Imagine how depressing it must be working at Google on new projects, never sure whether they might just get cancelled months down the road. And then how depressing it must be after they do get cancelled, and your work just goes directly down the drain. Speaking from experience, there is nothing quite as demoralising in our trade as this. At least the money’s good there, I guess.
The tech doesn't just dissapear into a void and isn't completely unresuable. Cloud gaming also isn't something that's gone forever, it's just a bit too early.