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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by alex_duf »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #45
alex_duf wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more about the cell towers being cut at the same time as their local area. Where it's easy to anticipate that hospitals/police stations/fire birgades will need a special connection to the grid, it probably was harder 20 years ago to realise the numerous new cell towers also needed to be put on a separate connection. So they'll get cut at the same time as the companies and the houses in the local area.

In France, the talks about the rolling blackouts were acompanied by assurances that private homes wouldn't be affected, only industries. So they should have some kind of ability to target at least a kind of user. I don't know if cell towers qualify as industry or their own, separate kind. There's also the fact that there has been a massive rollout of connected meters, so, at least in theory, they could target individ…

I think I'd rather the cut be for everyone.

There are enough people people who hate linky for no reason, I hope EDF won't give them an actual good reason to do so.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by bpfrh »

tomp wrote: post #152
bpfrh wrote: post #128

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Which pipelines are you talking about? "actively block at an eu level" Do you mean not labeling investment in nuclear as green? Because that is very fair, if I invest my money in "green energy" I don't expect to fund nuclear.

So nuclear (zero CO2 emissions) isn’t “green” but gas (CO2 + methane emissions) is?! This is the reality of institutional stupidity at the highest EU political levels.

No, gas is only green if it used to as a stepping stone for wind or solar.

There is nothing prohibiting investing in nuclear energy, but you shouldn't be able to label that investment as green.

You can argue all day if nuclear is green or not, but most people on the street will not think of nuclear if I ask them what a green, safe and sustainable energy source is. At least in Germany, which of course represents the interest of their people.

So if you include nuclear in that label, for most people it will become meaningless and will fail to draw more investment.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by tomp »

bpfrh wrote: post #402
tomp wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So nuclear (zero CO2 emissions) isn’t “green” but gas (CO2 + methane emissions) is?! This is the reality of institutional stupidity at the highest EU political levels.

No, gas is only green if it used to as a stepping stone for wind or solar. There is nothing prohibiting investing in nuclear energy, but you shouldn't be able to label that investment as green. You can argue all day if nuclear is green or not, but most people on the street will not think of nuclear if I ask them what a green, safe and sustainable energy source is. At least in Germany, which of course represents the i…

Exactly. My point is that the problem is systemic, caused by decades of media brainwashing. Hopefully the present situation is a “shock” that wakes people up.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by anshorei »

boppo1 wrote: post #385
mullen wrote: post #290

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Due to Earthquakes, California asks that you have at least 3 days of supplies on hand at all times, with 7 days of supplies being prefered and 14 days of supplies being the best. Same thing from my county and city. They all know that when "The Big One" hits, your average citizen is going to be on their own for at least a couple of days.

Do they have stats on when to expect it?

If everyone waits with getting their supplies until they expect to need them, then there won't be enough in stock to supply everyone with their 7-days of supplies.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by Schroedingersat »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #221
f1shy wrote: post #175

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Believe it or not, the green party is one of the most hard opponents to nuclear. Of course, they suggest the alternative Wind+Solar, not gas.

> they suggest the alternative Wind+Solar, not gas. Storage technology to support an industrialized nation with pure Wind+Solar does not exist, necessitating gas. Advocating for Wind+Solar but not gas is like advocating for building with lumber but not cutting down trees. One inescapably implies the other.

You don't need to build new gas or increase production to beat nuclear in cost whilst reducing total emissions to netnzero levels, so you are still lying. Additionally nuclear necessarily demands gas in exactly the same way because it is cost/capacity limited so a 100% nuclear grid would cost 300-500€/MWh.

Just using existing heavily deployed technologies

https://model.energy/?results=8181a21c563945780e7f86ca888fd4...

https://model.energy/?results=c68fba298e21e52a0fb45b52da6ef1...

Adding hydrogen (note that you don't even have to build a h2 turbine if you retrofit):

https://model.energy/?results=f3494dc5d4d8f4f67a81451d8fbc1a...

Prices that will be available well before a nuclear reactor is finished:

https://model.energy/?results=295f72370fce3a21d9b3a7077905f0...

Or without turbines:

https://model.energy/?results=51dd5248c3f176a297cf3ad38fd87d...

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by medo-bear »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #370
ben_w wrote: post #365

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I agree that a state actor was involved. I disagree that Russia has no incentive. While the USA obviously has the means and more than zero motivation, I don’t see this type of infrastructure damage so close to allies as likely. Especially given the EU was already in the process of permanently ending the purchase of all Russian gas, not just these pipelines. Russia, however, is looking at one never-opened pipeline and…

>>>Russia appears to believe that cutting off gas to Europe will end European support for Ukraine, and therefore has an obvious incentive to cut it off. Russia has incentives to make this look like it isn’t Russia’s fault Russia had already done the former by basically "turning off the tap", and already argued it wasn't their fault because they were willing to supply gas to Europe as long as Europe paid in Russian ru…

also a lot of analysts have been predicting social discontent in germany during winter due to the gas situation. russia, i immagine, would have been hoping that societal pressures would force the german government to reconsider its position on nord stream ii. turning on the nord stream ii pipeline was a practical solution to a freezing problem in germany. after blowing up the pipeline this solution no longer exists (at least not in its simple form of "turn on the tap") thus also taking away a key possible demand for any potential protests

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by hef19898 »

scrubs wrote: post #366
hef19898 wrote: post #329

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Since Europe has not enough natural resources to be self reliant, and the US only has enough oil gas due to fracking, there is no alternative other than dealing with oppressive, human rights ignoring regimes. Iran is under sanctions, the UAE and Saudi are by no means better the Putin at his worst days (we in the West just don't give a damn about the war in Sudan and Yemen). And yes, closer relationships to Russia are…

What? Russia better than Saudi Arabia? The Saudis are neither stupid enough to attack something like Ukraine nor do they have the backbone to even think about it. They're not as caught up in cold wars or bemoaning their version of what Gorbachev did. Human rights aside wouldn't most petrol customers prefer SA over Russia? Granted, Europe and Germany esp. didn't but then again trade was supposed to mute the stupidity…

The same level, more or less:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_in...

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by jhoechtl »

hef19898 wrote: post #294
jhoechtl wrote: post #220

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> The people are fed up with dangerously incompetent leadership When thinking of politicians, Intelligence is not an attribute which comes naturally to my mind. Yet the absence of intelligence in karge swaths of green politicians is striking. Im specifically talking about the German green movement, not generalising.

Like being inteligent enough to prolong nuclear reactor runtimes, signing LNG deals with the UAE, fillong up gas reservoirs faster than anticipated, pushing for military aide for Ukraine, figuring out fallback plans for potential gas shortages? Yeah, absolutely stupid things to do in the current situation.

To late, to little

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by hef19898 »

jhoechtl wrote: post #408
hef19898 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like being inteligent enough to prolong nuclear reactor runtimes, signing LNG deals with the UAE, fillong up gas reservoirs faster than anticipated, pushing for military aide for Ukraine, figuring out fallback plans for potential gas shortages? Yeah, absolutely stupid things to do in the current situation.

To late, to little

I take people changing their opinions when facts and situations change over people praising hindsight any day of the week.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by Regic »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #370
ben_w wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that a state actor was involved. I disagree that Russia has no incentive. While the USA obviously has the means and more than zero motivation, I don’t see this type of infrastructure damage so close to allies as likely. Especially given the EU was already in the process of permanently ending the purchase of all Russian gas, not just these pipelines. Russia, however, is looking at one never-opened pipeline and…

>>>Russia appears to believe that cutting off gas to Europe will end European support for Ukraine, and therefore has an obvious incentive to cut it off. Russia has incentives to make this look like it isn’t Russia’s fault Russia had already done the former by basically "turning off the tap", and already argued it wasn't their fault because they were willing to supply gas to Europe as long as Europe paid in Russian ru…

One possible explanation is that Putin wants to prevent a possible rival from winning over oligarchs by promising to make agreement with the eu. Many oligarchs are losing a lot of money on this war and it is likely that a coup that replaces him with a more friendly leader could ease up the sanctions. Without the gas leverage this option is less likely. There are clear signs that Putin is very paranoid of being replaced in the near future.
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