Live data from Hacker News

PO-80 Record Factory

teenage.engineering

61–70 of 97 posts

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#61
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big problem here is that due to how soft the material has to be to cut, the lifespan on these is going to be somewhere in the realm of 1-10 plays.

That's like an acetate "dubplate" that promoters used give to club DJs to get new music out (mostly replaced by digital files now of course). They were good for a small number of plays and used just to gauge the crowd reaction.

Right, because this is the same process.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#62
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on cassette data rates using audio encoding, and a total hand-wavey ballpark of ~10kB/min using modern encoding techniques, I'd totally guesstimate about 100kB of data on there.

Well that's more than enough for anyone!

My old TI-99/4a stored 90kb on a 5" floppy disk.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#63
post #49
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can never get a handle on their pricing. Its all either absurdly low (how do they make pocket operators so cheap?!?!?), or absurdly high (why is OP-1 so absurdly high?!). But at this price, hitting buy asap. It will be a neat effect for use in my studio.

Are the pocket operators really that cheap for the functionality they provide? I was always of the opinion that Teenage Engineering was ridiculously overpriced, but so much of what they make is so cool that it makes me want to buy anyway. I'm not creative/musical/rich enough to justify buying an OP-1. If I ever was, though...

The pocket operators are great value, the PO-20 is one of the best all-in-one groove boxes around and the price makes it a total bargin.

However, the cases are pure ripoff territory. I wonder if there are 3rd party ones available.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#64
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A CNC laser would be the best bet. A good one could cut this in about 5 min. Water jets and CNC plasma cutters could do it, but they would probably both have issues with that many pierces. I agree though - $195 for this is a bit much: https://images.prismic.io/teenageengineering/d379b4fd-3721-4... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGpKAIsUIpI

It looks like it has countersunk screw holes, so that would usually be done on a CNC punch: http://www.vandf.co.uk/tooling/what-is-cnc-punching/ (amazing machines) It also looks powder-coated... when you consider their likely volumes $195 is not unreasonable once you take into account development costs, setup costs and overheads.

Not discounting the coolness of CNC punching whatsoever, but the reasonableness of $195 is way off, even if they are manufacturing in low volumes domestically.

Parts like this should ideally be manufactured via stamping, which would also produce any countersinks needed. Even better would be to have them cut and bent in a progressive die (also a super cool manufacturing process!) and would have all cuts and features done in one go. But if I were them, I'd probably aim for a buck or two for each sheet part, maybe up to five dollars if you wanted to keep it at a local shop with low volumes. But the big win of having just flat pieces is you can make a ton of components at once and they can take up very little space on a shelf. Get a few thousand produced and powdercoated, and then just keep an eye on when supply runs low.

Basically, if they aren't making 90% margin on these (all in, shipped to your door) I'd be disappointed.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The photo of the record factory on that landing page weighs in at 9.84MB -- the margin probably goes towards AWS bandwidth costs!

How does a professional web designer even put up a picture that large without going through some basic compression?

I am generally surprised when a web developer produces anything at all without 200 separate requests on every pageload and a 20M+ footprint.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#66
Listening to the distortion, it sounds like it could possibly be reduced/minimized by experimenting with pre-emphasis curves! I wonder if the existing community around this product's predecessor has worked on that...

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#67

> experience the warmth of lo-fi audio. I wonder if what some people think of warmth of lo-fi is connected to the effect of white/pink/brown noises discussed earlier today at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32998960

It’s a combination of RIAA equalization, mastering suited to vinyl, some distortion, and some surface noise (mostly unobtrusive clicks and pops), according what my ears report me while listening to vinyl.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#68

> experience the warmth of lo-fi audio. I wonder if what some people think of warmth of lo-fi is connected to the effect of white/pink/brown noises discussed earlier today at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32998960

It’s a combination of RIAA equalization, mastering suited to vinyl, some distortion, and some surface noise (mostly unobtrusive clicks and pops), according what my ears report me while listening to vinyl.

Do you find it "warm"?

Is it because you are used to it, feeding nostalgia?

Or could it have to do with noise (distortion, clicks and pops) being soothing to the brain?

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#69
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big problem here is that due to how soft the material has to be to cut, the lifespan on these is going to be somewhere in the realm of 1-10 plays.

That's like an acetate "dubplate" that promoters used give to club DJs to get new music out (mostly replaced by digital files now of course). They were good for a small number of plays and used just to gauge the crowd reaction.

When you make an actual record you cut an acetate of each side on a record cutting lathe, which this product is a toy miniature version of.

Each acetate looks like a one-sided vinyl record only bigger (it's got margin around the edge). You can take that to a club and play it, but normally you take the pair to a pressing plant. They make a metal mould of each one and use them to press the vinyl records.

When I was a teenager in 1979 my band made a single on our own indie label. We got to go to see the legendary cutting engineer Porky in London near Oxford Circus and watched him cut the pair of acetates. Like all his work he scratched "A Porky prime cut" into the run out area.

Re: PO-80 Record Factory

#70

This is peak of audio hipsterism! Audio quality is crap. Better to record on cassette with some boombox. Also see this DIY project - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y7osjazhLE

Nobody that's buying this (including me) is buying it for its pure utility. They're buying it because it's cool-looking, fun, interesting, educational, or whatever. If my goal was good audio quality, of course it's not what I'd buy. I already own a high end flash recorder, multiple very capable computers, etc. (I also own two of Gakken's earlier wax cylinder gramophones and a few of their other kits.)
Post reply on HN