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If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by marcus0x62 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #18

'Quiet quitting' is a phrasing where employers and employers' media control the narrative. If I am B2B I am not giving a customer 'more service' than what is being asked. If I am a consultant I am delivering _exactly_ what is spec'ed by who's hiring. If I go to a lawyer or an accountant and ask them to 'go the extra mile' they will ask me to go contact another professional. The asymetry of employer/employee dynamics…

> If I go to a lawyer or an accountant and ask them to 'go the extra mile' they will ask me to go contact another professional.

Or gladly do it, and bill you for the extra time.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by silksowed »

giantg2 wrote: post #12
thatguy0900 wrote: post #4

Quiet quitting is a thing because of quiet firing. Corporations have long since abondened the concept of rewarding ground employees for anything, the only way to get substantial raises is frequent job hopping already

Boom. This guy gets it. I have been passed over and screwed over for years. I worked above my level for 2 years without a promotion and a meager bonus. When they finally started talking about a "promotion" it would be a 13% increase in hours for a 7% raise, and higher expectations. They also wouldn't follow their own policies, to my detriment. Basic psychology says I was conditioned to do the minimum because I get tr…

any advice? my manager left 9 months ago and they decided to never backfill so i own basically all of it. granted i don't perform at the level he did but my pay has been stagnant and its always awkward in interviews to talk about projects that are clearly above my job title. they've floated the idea of a title bump/increase pay but it just seems like a carrot to keep me churning.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by giantg2 »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #20
giantg2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boom. This guy gets it. I have been passed over and screwed over for years. I worked above my level for 2 years without a promotion and a meager bonus. When they finally started talking about a "promotion" it would be a 13% increase in hours for a 7% raise, and higher expectations. They also wouldn't follow their own policies, to my detriment. Basic psychology says I was conditioned to do the minimum because I get tr…

I would say it's even worse than that, in the current environment that pay raise probably doesn't even put you back where you started 2 years ago. If quit quitting is doing the absolute minimum to keep the job, then quite firing should be any company who isn't willing to match inflation at the minimum

My company generally keeps up with inflation, and that 7% would be on top of that. That specific scenario for me was about 4 years ago (I'm now 10 years in with a Masters and I'm just a midlevel dev making less than $100k).

Last year I got a bad rating because there was extreme context switching and I was "slow" (management was terrible and said they expected to burn people in a year or two). So I got almost nothing at the end of the year - effectively a 4.5% pay cut.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by giantg2 »

silksowed wrote: post #22
giantg2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boom. This guy gets it. I have been passed over and screwed over for years. I worked above my level for 2 years without a promotion and a meager bonus. When they finally started talking about a "promotion" it would be a 13% increase in hours for a 7% raise, and higher expectations. They also wouldn't follow their own policies, to my detriment. Basic psychology says I was conditioned to do the minimum because I get tr…

any advice? my manager left 9 months ago and they decided to never backfill so i own basically all of it. granted i don't perform at the level he did but my pay has been stagnant and its always awkward in interviews to talk about projects that are clearly above my job title. they've floated the idea of a title bump/increase pay but it just seems like a carrot to keep me churning.

I'm the wrong guy for career advise since I'm 10 years in with a Masters and I'm just a midlevel dev making less than $100k.

If you're doing the job, take the bump in title/pay.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by atoav »

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #13
giantg2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I though the definition was "doing the bare minimum", which could be your job description or less if they let you. On a side note, with all the fantastical language used in job descriptions these days I sort of doubt anyone knows what the actual metrics/standard or bare minimum is. I know I don't.

The fantastical language is deliberate. The more obfuscated the job description the more than can con you into doing things you weren't hired to do. Though it's been years since I've been in the market, many (most?) job postings had "and other duties as required" at the bottom for this very reason.

Yeah sure, but the issue with many jobs is that they expect you to do all that and be happy and positive about it as well. They don't just want your labor for a fixed set of time, they want you.

They want you to treat them like family while they reserve the right to treat you like a number.

The thing with acting your wage (as quiet quitting should better be called) is that many employers just don't deserve any better. If you have the rare luck of working in a company that really treats it's employees well, your employees certainly will not be too accurate about what their contract says and what is exludeded.

But if you are one of those companies that fired people during a global pandemic and expect loyalty, you don't have a good understanding how societies work.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

marcus0x62 wrote: post #21
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #18

'Quiet quitting' is a phrasing where employers and employers' media control the narrative. If I am B2B I am not giving a customer 'more service' than what is being asked. If I am a consultant I am delivering _exactly_ what is spec'ed by who's hiring. If I go to a lawyer or an accountant and ask them to 'go the extra mile' they will ask me to go contact another professional. The asymetry of employer/employee dynamics…

> If I go to a lawyer or an accountant and ask them to 'go the extra mile' they will ask me to go contact another professional. Or gladly do it, and bill you for the extra time.

Indeed meant as analogy to employer talk 'go the extra mile' without extra pay.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by soganess »

Every time a QQ article shows up on HN the conversation circles around the phrase itself. Questions/statements like "How is doing your job quitting?" and "This is just some nonsense the media cooked up to scare people."

I'm not trying to detract from that, but I'd really like to ask about the "Why"; why is this narrative happening now? It is not as if businesses have just now starting trying to get more out of their employees. That has been the case for time immemorial. Is it because the economy is down? This isn't the first downturn in the economy since the advent of social news. Is it a """post"""-pandemic, getting people back into the office scare tactic?

I'd like to get some broad opinions about the timing, if possible.

EDIT: I realized that all the possibilities I listed point to businesses being bad actors, I didn't really intend to paint it that way. I'm open to considering both side.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by onemoresoop »

silksowed wrote: post #22
giantg2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boom. This guy gets it. I have been passed over and screwed over for years. I worked above my level for 2 years without a promotion and a meager bonus. When they finally started talking about a "promotion" it would be a 13% increase in hours for a 7% raise, and higher expectations. They also wouldn't follow their own policies, to my detriment. Basic psychology says I was conditioned to do the minimum because I get tr…

any advice? my manager left 9 months ago and they decided to never backfill so i own basically all of it. granted i don't perform at the level he did but my pay has been stagnant and its always awkward in interviews to talk about projects that are clearly above my job title. they've floated the idea of a title bump/increase pay but it just seems like a carrot to keep me churning.

Wait for a crunch time when they need you the most and your bargaining power is at it's highest. Ask for the raise and backpay for 2 years. If they don't do it quit. But still, if they do so take your back pay and quit.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

onemoresoop wrote: post #28
silksowed wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

any advice? my manager left 9 months ago and they decided to never backfill so i own basically all of it. granted i don't perform at the level he did but my pay has been stagnant and its always awkward in interviews to talk about projects that are clearly above my job title. they've floated the idea of a title bump/increase pay but it just seems like a carrot to keep me churning.

Wait for a crunch time when they need you the most and your bargaining power is at it's highest. Ask for the raise and backpay for 2 years. If they don't do it quit. But still, if they do so take your back pay and quit.

> Ask for the raise and backpay for 2 years.

I can't help but feel this is rather naive advice, not because of what it is but because:

> my manager left 9 months ago

If you're going to ask for back pay, ask for nine months and cite this as why. It would also look bad if you accept the back pay and just quit immediately, regardless of how you feel about treating your employer that way (personally, I wouldn't care about doing this if I feel like a cog). That might come back to bite you depending on future employment prospects.

Re: If Your Quiet Quitting Is Going Well, You Might Be Getting ‘Quiet Fired’

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

soganess wrote: post #27

Every time a QQ article shows up on HN the conversation circles around the phrase itself. Questions/statements like "How is doing your job quitting?" and "This is just some nonsense the media cooked up to scare people." I'm not trying to detract from that, but I'd really like to ask about the "Why"; why is this narrative happening now? It is not as if businesses have just now starting trying to get more out of their…

I think it's a response to the Anti-work trend that really exploded a year or so ago.
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