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Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by spullara »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #165
alluro2 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you mean when nothing is loaded in it, or it's showing a plain HTML page. 1GB+ is completely common for a lot of Electron apps in real use. If you run a dev environment and are using 2-3 Electron apps, 16GB will be a struggle. Currently sitting at 29GB (on M1 Pro), just for regular web dev environment on MacOS.

It's technically Chromium Embedded Framework instead of Electron, but last time I used the Spotify desktop client it was possible to push its RAM usage past 512MB up to the 1GB mark just by clicking through albums and artists. For something extremely functional like a VS Code, which is a mini-IDE of sorts, that might be excusable but it's beyond silly for a streaming music player.

It is probably just caching images in memory.

Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by e63f67dd-065b »

enlyth wrote: post #153
xxpor wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because weechat uses <18 megs?

Does weechat support rich embedded media like images and videos, can you live stream games to your friends on it, talk with people, have profile avatars, use emotes, build bots that stream music to you? Even something completely simple such as snip a portion of your screen and paste it in the chatbox so others can see it immediately, without having to mess around with dodgy image upload sites. This is basic functiona…

EDIT: ignore me, I thought this was about WeChat, the Chinese messaging app, not weechat, the IRC client :(

> rich embedded media like images and videos

Yes

> live stream games to your friends on it

no (there's WeChat livestream (idk what it's called in English), but it's not discord style stream-your-desktop)

> talk with people

yes

> have profile avatars

yes

> use emotes

yes

> build bots that stream music to you

yes

> Even something completely simple such as snip a portion of your screen and paste it in the chatbox so others can see it immediately, without having to mess around with dodgy image upload sites

yes? you can paste stuff into wechat just fine. Think WhatsApp, not IRC

Idk where GP came up with 18MB tho, it's eating up 100 on my laptop right now.

Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by ianbutler »

This work on Asahi Linux is some of the more impressive work I’ve been following. To basically reverse engineer undocumented hardware features and get Linux running on them in such a low amount of time is nothing short of inspiring.

Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by mfuzzey »

bityard wrote: post #133
Rygian wrote: post #39

"Please temper your expectations: even with hardware documentation, an optimized Vulkan driver stack (with enough features to layer OpenGL 4.6 with Zink) requires many years of full time work. At least for now, nobody is working on this driver full time3. Reverse-engineering slows the process considerably. We won’t be playing AAA games any time soon." From https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-6.html

Totally non-sarcastic question: then why bother? It's an honest question. Even if someone (or a team) could somehow be paid for this work, by the time the results are usable, the hardware will be more or less functionally obsolete. And that is on top of the fact that ARM64 on MacOS will always be a small slice of the gaming pie, and ARM64 on Linux games and GPU applications virtually nonexistent.

GPUs tend to evolve over time rather than change radically. So even if the hardware is obselete before the work is finsihed the driver for the next generation will start from a much better point than the first one.

Also it will be useable for at least some usecases, even if not AAA games, before the hardware is obselete.

Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by humanistbot »

naikrovek wrote: post #151
humanistbot wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak for yourself, I could barely understand the content due to the high pitch and speed of the vocoder. I hate video tutorials in general though, I really wish this was a blog post.

why would they speak for anyone but themselves? and why would you think they were doing so?

It is an expression, another way of saying "You might feel that way, but I don't"

See https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/speak+for+yourself

Re: Native Linux GPU Driver for Apple M1

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Post by simonh »

bityard wrote: post #133
Rygian wrote: post #39

"Please temper your expectations: even with hardware documentation, an optimized Vulkan driver stack (with enough features to layer OpenGL 4.6 with Zink) requires many years of full time work. At least for now, nobody is working on this driver full time3. Reverse-engineering slows the process considerably. We won’t be playing AAA games any time soon." From https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-6.html

Totally non-sarcastic question: then why bother? It's an honest question. Even if someone (or a team) could somehow be paid for this work, by the time the results are usable, the hardware will be more or less functionally obsolete. And that is on top of the fact that ARM64 on MacOS will always be a small slice of the gaming pie, and ARM64 on Linux games and GPU applications virtually nonexistent.

Because AAA games aren’t everything.

> a basic OpenGL driver is doable by a single person. I’m optimistic that we’ll have native OpenGL 2.1 in Asahi Linux by the end of the year.

That should be enough to be very useful to a lot of users.

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