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Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by _HMCB_ »

enumjorge wrote: post #507
ren_engineer wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

The thing that baffles me is that this has been a known issue for a long time, and yet there doesn't seem to be any significant moves to improve this. Can someone please explain what Sundar Pichai's big goals as a CEO are? That's a genuine question. He doesn't seem to be solving existing issues related to culture and incentives. And the company hasn't landed any big wins recently. I mostly see increased monetization…

When was there last big win?

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ren_engineer wrote: post #411
vyrotek wrote: post #43

Just a couple of months ago. "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro." https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

I've given up trusting anything new they make. They've shut down otherwise perfectly fine products that they could of charged some money for and I would of gladly payed. Google Talk was perfect, the UI was stale but I could log on via Pidgin. Everything that followed Google Talk was a regression is what it felt like.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by busterarm »

jedberg wrote: post #221
scarmig wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit of a conundrum: every company is going to shut down products. What's the best way to launch new, risky things? Startups can simply go all in on the product, and if it fails, the company dissolves, though people rightly are hesitant to go with a fly by night startup for exactly that reason. I'm not even sure that Google has shut down more products than an equivalently sized company. But it's certainly shut…

> I'm not even sure that Google has shut down more products than an equivalently sized company. AWS has shut down I believe only one service in its entire existence (SDB). And only when they had a viable alternative (DynamoDB) and helped their biggest users make the move. I can't recall any Apple service that has been shut down without an alternative. They've certainly cancelled hardware programs, but that doesn't br…

Steve Jobs's Apple liked to deprecate the whole API underpinning their OS from version to version. That and "upgrade" products with increasingly inferior versions (Final Cut, iTunes, XServe).

And then there's any era of Apple and their habit of removing consumer choice and forcing customers more into their closed ecosystem.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by leokennis »

Maybe their track record in B2B is better, but as a CTO or something I’d think very long and hard before I would make my business depend on GCP (as opposed to AWS or Azure)…before you know it Google pulls the rug out underneath your feet.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by barbariangrunge »

vyrotek wrote: post #43

Just a couple of months ago. "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro." https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656

Some people were mean to me when I said I wasn’t going to port my game to stadia. I said, “google will probably cancel it within the next few years, so I’m not even considering it,” and they got really offended by my prediction.

Well… it was a little rude to make a prediction like that, but it was based on research and past history. It was just way too big a risk.

I wonder if it’s a bit self fulfilling at this point: timid users lead to poor adoption which leads to cancellations which leads to timid users?

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by anonymousab »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #139
jedberg wrote: post #40

Google's reputation for not supporting things long term is finally starting to affect them in noticeable ways. Developers didn't onboard because they were afraid it would get shut down. It got shut down because no one onboarded.

Ironically, I bet if that Stadia would've done much better if it had launched with the promise of "if we do shut it down, we'll refund all your purchases"

They straight up incompetently dodged the question whenever it came up and tried to turn it into some patronizing and belittling "we understand that you're scared of the future" statement every single time.

They deserved to fail on that point alone. Either promise refunds or promise none; either way you're signaling a form of confidence in your product and making the expectations clear to your users.

Refusing to answer on that point made it clear where their confidence was and how weasely they felt they needed to be to sell their product.

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Post by alsodumb »

rajnathani wrote: post #656

The top 4th and 7th comment on the Stadia launch post on HN sort of predicted this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19432957 During those times I thought HN was being overly pessimistic as usual about a product being killed by Google, but now it is pretty understandable, especially as despite Google’s headstart that they were overtaken by Nvidia, Microsoft, and others in this space.

A reply to the 7th comment says "I'd say one promotion cycle for the top executives on the product, 2-3 more for the next tier of engineers/product folks to ship some cool stuff, then a year or two for the product to coast before no one wants to take on the technical debt. So I'll predict its shutdown will be announced by July 2022."

That prediction was so damn close.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by SpacePortKnight »

Considering that consoles like Xbox Series S, Nintendo Switch are available for less than $300 and provide a much better gaming experience, it was quite inevitable.

This does even more damage to the Google's reputation. I would never recommend or use GCP for example, now.

Lastly google already has a gaming platform i.e. Android, and I would have loved to see some more innovation in that space instead.

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