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Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by permo-w »

lgats wrote: post #459
endtime wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree with you, but I downvoted your comment because > We devoted an entire month of resources to this project and thought that was enough! ...is not just wildly inaccurate, but also disrespectful to the people who spent years working on it.

https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656 @GoogleStadia "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro. Let us know if you have other questions." Jul 29, 2022 2 Months ago

how is this relevant to what they said?

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by munificent »

jedberg wrote: post #221
scarmig wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit of a conundrum: every company is going to shut down products. What's the best way to launch new, risky things? Startups can simply go all in on the product, and if it fails, the company dissolves, though people rightly are hesitant to go with a fly by night startup for exactly that reason. I'm not even sure that Google has shut down more products than an equivalently sized company. But it's certainly shut…

> I'm not even sure that Google has shut down more products than an equivalently sized company. AWS has shut down I believe only one service in its entire existence (SDB). And only when they had a viable alternative (DynamoDB) and helped their biggest users make the move. I can't recall any Apple service that has been shut down without an alternative. They've certainly cancelled hardware programs, but that doesn't br…

Bias up front: I work at Google but this is just my personal opinion.

> AWS has shut down I believe only one service in its entire existence (SDB).

Sure, but that's comparing a different branch of the company. Stadia is a consumer product, not a paid developer product. On the consumer side, Amazon has discontinued plenty of things (as every large corporation has):

According to this article[1], Amazon has canceled Haven, Amazon Spark, Amazon Restaurants, Amazon Storywriter, Amazon popup stores, Dash buttons, Amazon Tap, Instant Pickup, Amazon Tickets, Whole Foods 365, Amazon Fresh's Local Market Seller, Quidsi, Endless.com, MyHabit.com, Amazon Webstore, Amazon Destinations, Amazon Local, Amazon Wallet, Amazon Local, Fire Phone, Amazon WebPay, Amazon Askville, Amazon PayPhrase, and Amazon Auction.

Relevant to this thread, Amazon Games is technically still around, but they canceled Nova, Intensity, Breakaway, Crucible, and the Lord of the Rings MMO. Many top executives have left.

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-products-services-fai...

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by legohead »

I used Shadow [1] for a couple years. They basically give you a windows VM and you install whatever you want. All the other big players limited the games you could install, which was a deal breaker for me. I think there's 1 or 2 others that have a similar model to Shadow, but they are pay by the hour.

Shadow was great, when they had a California datacenter (~20ms latency). I noticed zero lag most of the time. Once they closed that and I was forced to go to TX (~60ms latency), it started to become an issue for me. There were other issues too, like some games don't let you install on a VM (very rare), and I kept running out of space.

I finally upgraded to a PC this year (~$1400 w/GeForce 3070 & i5), and it is a much better experience. I was so used to the latency, I kept failing mini-games with timed key presses. Now I have all the hard drive space I need, and the graphics look and feel much smoother (I assume something to do with the compression). While the cloud GPUs were performing well, I don't think the CPUs were up to par.

I still think cloud gaming is great, and wish Shadow well. But if your cloud gaming service is going to limit the games people can play, get your tombstone ready.

[1] shadow.tech

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by nkrisc »

awill wrote: post #96

They should have promised these refunds at launch: "We're launching Stadia. if it were to shut down in less than X years, you will get a refund" Ironically, had they done this, they would have seen more adoption from the skeptics, and maybe not even had to shut down. Typical Google, completely ignoring all the totally rational fears people had about their shutdown. In pretty much all Stadia HN threads, the top questi…

That’d be great for people willing to dive in, but to me it just says that they don’t expect it to be around for long. You might say it shows they’re confident enough it will be around to offer refunds if it’s not around long, but nobody else launches a product and talks about it going away so that would make me think they they secretly don’t believe in it.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by enumjorge »

ren_engineer wrote: post #411
vyrotek wrote: post #43

Just a couple of months ago. "Stadia is not shutting down. Rest assured we're always working on bringing more great games to the platform and Stadia Pro." https://twitter.com/GoogleStadia/status/1552989433590214656

Google needs to restructure their incentives before it wrecks the company. I have no doubt whoever launched Stadia got promoted and then bounced to a different product and didn't care about whether Stadia was a success long term. Google's ad money printer masks the rot underneath, Google is literally a meme at this point for shutting down products. No serious business or developer is going to trust them. If governmen…

The thing that baffles me is that this has been a known issue for a long time, and yet there doesn't seem to be any significant moves to improve this.

Can someone please explain what Sundar Pichai's big goals as a CEO are? That's a genuine question. He doesn't seem to be solving existing issues related to culture and incentives. And the company hasn't landed any big wins recently. I mostly see increased monetization of products from 10-15 years ago. I know I'm only seeing this from the outside looking in though. There must be a reason why one of the world's biggest companies has him at the helm, but it's not obvious to me what that is.

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by permo-w »

keewee7 wrote: post #279
solardev wrote: post #223

Google's product strategy.. Google: We're going to launch a fancy new product in an already-crowded field, not market it at all, and everyone will jump on board and love it! Everyone else: No way, it's a PITA to port to, and knowing Google, they're going to sunset it soon. Google: No we won't, we're fully dedicated to this thing Everyone else: No way, they haven't added meaningful features in years and they're going…

>not market it at all I noticed that too. Google never adversises its producta. Google is almost like the startup founder who thinks their side project is so good it doesn't need marketing or sales.

I have seen plenty of (annoying) stadia adverts

Re: Google is shutting down Stadia

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Post by yesimahuman »

candiddevmike wrote: post #152
jedberg wrote: post #40

Google's reputation for not supporting things long term is finally starting to affect them in noticeable ways. Developers didn't onboard because they were afraid it would get shut down. It got shut down because no one onboarded.

This is keeping me from looking seriously at Flutter tbh. Go is safe, it has a community and ecosystem outside of Google, Flutter doesn't seem to be there yet.

Not to mention that it seems that the relationship between Flutter and the Android team is contentious at best
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