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Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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It’s worse than you think. Germany blocked or was against a large number of alternative pipelines and was preparing to actively block nuclear at an eu level.

Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

I think ideology. "Green movement"

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In California, I get physical mail pamphlets that help me prepare for power outages and what I should do to reduce quality of life. It’s not from PG&E, but our city.

German government published a cookbook to teach people how to cook without electricity. "Kochen ohne Strom" https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/202... It would have been useful to keep coal powered electric plants in use and stocked with a mountain of coal.

They will likely keep some coal plants online longer than was originally planned, so that is definitely a thing. They even restarted some plants to reduce their current dependency on Russian gas.

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Same here and likewise baffled. TFA says: > Europe has nearly half a million telecom towers and most of them have battery backups that last around 30 minutes to run the mobile antennas. Which seems bonkers to me. Perhaps they deploy incredibly small batteries because they're engineered for a different outage profile than the US? Or perhaps the reporter is quoting something inappropriately -- traditional large sites w…

Just for some perspective: In my entire life in Germany, I experienced two power outages, both more than 20 years ago. The grid is rock-solid here; this might not warrant for huge battery capacity in general (even though 30 minutes does seem quite small).

The grid in the states is rock solid here, in general - certain cases not withstanding. Power distribution in the states is largely arial, which means deeply effected by large weather events, so while the power might be on - on the transmission side - it doesnt mean that the distribution side is in any condition to deliver any to you at that moment. I cant say my overall experiences with power are different than yours, I dont think I've ever had an outage longer than one hour, and I've only had four power loss events, each less than a half an hour in duration over the last 20 years.

The US has many extreme weather events - Hurricanes, Blizzards, Floods, Wind Storms, Ice Storms, Tornados, Wildfires (yes, thats sorta weather), Heavy Rain events, etc - that will often bring down trees onto distribution circuits. I may be wrong, but I have the belief (based on news reporting) that weather events which in the states are considered 'normal' would be 'extreme' in Europe.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Which pipelines are you talking about? "actively block at an eu level" Do you mean not labeling investment in nuclear as green? Because that is very fair, if I invest my money in "green energy" I don't expect to fund nuclear.

So nuclear (zero CO2 emissions) isn’t “green” but gas (CO2 + methane emissions) is?! This is the reality of institutional stupidity at the highest EU political levels.

Believe it or not, the green party is one of the most hard opponents to nuclear. Of course, they suggest the alternative Wind+Solar, not gas.

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Question: could Russian disinformation have played a role in germanys policy here? Perhaps they were pushing anti nuclear viewpoints for a decade leading up to this? To be clear, I have zero evidence either way, I’m just curious how large an effect these campaigns have had on public policy across the world

> Question: could Russian disinformation have played a role in germanys policy here? As a German, no, that was quite voluntary. People like me completely agreed. I only woke up on 24 February. I'm from East Germany, speak some Russian, and have been to Russia a few times, and to Ukraine too, for months actually. I did not care about the Krim annexation either. I think because it was peaceful, and because I did not se…

>Maybe they want Putin to invest more and more and grind Russia down slowly? Losing too quickly would leave Russia with too much left? Of course, the cost of such a strategy would be borne by the Ukrainians, who pay in blood.

I think this has been the conventional wisdom for a while. One thing I ask people who are vociferous in their support of Ukraine (and our paying for that support) is, how is this going to end?

Russia quietly bleeds out and overthrows Putin? Is that realistic? If Putin is a madman dictator, do you really think he'll just whimper and disappear? It seems necessary that a negotiation take place at some point, and that negotiation result in lost territory for Ukraine. It's not a question of justice, but practicality.

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"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

They also proactively chose in the wake of the 2003 invasion of Iraq to avoid importing more natural from the US. Schroeder and co wanted to reconnect Western Europe to Russia and avoid any dependence on the U.S. I think we now all see who the more reliable partner for Western Europe has been. [edit] if you’re going to disagree, I’d be interested to hear your specific objections. The shift away from US natural gas is…

LNG is more expensive than Russian gas so it makes or made economic sense to do that.

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Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

Question: could Russian disinformation have played a role in germanys policy here? Perhaps they were pushing anti nuclear viewpoints for a decade leading up to this? To be clear, I have zero evidence either way, I’m just curious how large an effect these campaigns have had on public policy across the world

I think you're right. The anti-nuclear activists of the 20th century focused as much on nuclear weapons as nuclear energy, frequently conflating the two. Furthermore these activists were almost always left wing and had obvious affinity for their idealized vision of what the Soviet Union was. I think the Soviets fomented anti-nuclear sentiment in the west during the Cold War to give themselves an edge in the nuclear arms buildup.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization has been ongoing.

In California, I get physical mail pamphlets that help me prepare for power outages and what I should do to reduce quality of life. It’s not from PG&E, but our city.

I don't think this part of living in the future was predicted on The Jetsons
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