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Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

So that Gerhard Schröder could get a job at Gazprom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relation...

> In 2022, it was reported that Schroeder was paid nearly $1 million per year by Russian energy companies.

Who knew sabotaging a continent’s energy policy was so affordable.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#142
post #79

I'm a former field engineer for a US Cellular carrier. I don't understand how a two hour outage is a panic event, both Cellular CO's and Cell Sites should have at least 3-4 hours of holdover time. Thats just the standard of design. Like, what happens if I storm blows thru, knocks down the infrastructure, if you have heat related infrastructure failures, or some other just normal failure - power outages happen, for th…

Same here and likewise baffled. TFA says: > Europe has nearly half a million telecom towers and most of them have battery backups that last around 30 minutes to run the mobile antennas. Which seems bonkers to me. Perhaps they deploy incredibly small batteries because they're engineered for a different outage profile than the US? Or perhaps the reporter is quoting something inappropriately -- traditional large sites w…

The Samsung gear I worked on would take about 10 min to come back up, give or take. I know because I dropped a handful of sites when I did power testing - visual inspection was not always enough to verify if the power was wired correctly. Most of them came back up in 10 min.. well, except once there was one site that didn't come back because the Microwave didn't like the power hit, lol - that required another tower crew to revisit and hang a new RRU.

I just can't imagine power design is that different, I'm used to these cabinets even in urban areas having 4 strings of batteries in them, are they only building sites with a single string in europe?

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#143

I see a lot of confusion in the comments about why cell towers would be impacted. Load shedding in the grid occurs across regions of the grid. The power companies don’t choose which specific sites to cut off. If cellular infrastructure is in part of the grid that gets disconnected, it will go down too (after exhausting its backup supply). The top priority for keeping power on goes to grid segments with life-sustainin…

The article seems to agree with your comment:

> "It [Enedis] said it was able to isolate sections of the network to supply priority customers, such as hospitals, key industrial installations and the military and that it was up to local authorities to add telecoms operators infrastructure to the list of priority customers."

This is also a good argument for mesh-networks between cell phones independent of cell towers, although those don't scale for large numbers connected phones and large numbers of users. Texting could be supported via such mesh-nets easily I imagine, but not video.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#145
post #79

I'm a former field engineer for a US Cellular carrier. I don't understand how a two hour outage is a panic event, both Cellular CO's and Cell Sites should have at least 3-4 hours of holdover time. Thats just the standard of design. Like, what happens if I storm blows thru, knocks down the infrastructure, if you have heat related infrastructure failures, or some other just normal failure - power outages happen, for th…

Same here and likewise baffled. TFA says: > Europe has nearly half a million telecom towers and most of them have battery backups that last around 30 minutes to run the mobile antennas. Which seems bonkers to me. Perhaps they deploy incredibly small batteries because they're engineered for a different outage profile than the US? Or perhaps the reporter is quoting something inappropriately -- traditional large sites w…

Just for some perspective: In my entire life in Germany, I experienced two power outages, both more than 20 years ago. The grid is rock-solid here; this might not warrant for huge battery capacity in general (even though 30 minutes does seem quite small).

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#146
post #70

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

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No they were not. Their geolocation and battery technology means it wasn't feasible regardless. It was sabotaged to begin with. No other efforts needed.

https://zeihan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/13-globalwinds...

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization has been ongoing.

In California, I get physical mail pamphlets that help me prepare for power outages and what I should do to reduce quality of life. It’s not from PG&E, but our city.

German government published a cookbook to teach people how to cook without electricity.

"Kochen ohne Strom" https://www.bbk.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/202...

It would have been useful to keep coal powered electric plants in use and stocked with a mountain of coal.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#148
post #136

So it's not turning off mobile networks in particular, it's just a general power shortage, a consequence of which might be some cell service being interrupted. They made it sound like they were going to shut off mobile networks specifically to save power, which doesn't make sense for a couple of reasons. Starting to feel like Reuters isn't worth my time anymore. Too many clickbaity titles like this lately.

I was reading the other day that they've made dramatic cuts in most of their local offices, and their material is now largely produced in a central hub in a low-cost Eastern European country. It shows.

they're running a business, after all.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#149
post #74

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

This place started to think in memes I feel. Every issue comes with the automated arguments, the same ones every time. If the topic is energy someone must write the "they shouldn't have closed those Nuclear power plants, silly environmentalist". Anyway, France is full blown nuclear state and they are having energy issues too, because as it turns out nuclear power plants require long regular maintenance periods. Maybe…

The people are fed up with dangerously incompetent leadership, who literally laughed when warned to not be dependent on Russia for energy. It's not a meaningless culture war. The loss of energy means lower standard of living at best and mass death and famine at worst.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#150
post #72

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

It's upsetting that so many here want to take a genuine (and very scary) international crisis and use it to flog their own personal peeves. Needless to say, "German energy policy of the last two decades" and "Let's Invade Ukraine and Blackmail Europe!" are different decisions , and subject to different analysis. You can have reasonable opinions about both, but if your opposition to Russian adventurism and brinksmansh…

> "German energy policy of the last two decades" and "Let's Invade Ukraine and Blackmail Europe!"

There is a good argument that those two are related. Energy is a weapon of war for russia, and it works best when there is a dependency on it. A lot of money flows towards increasing that dependency, including towards advocacy groups with irrational stance against nuclear.

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