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Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

There is a penn and teller episode where they argued that globalization was creating world peace. Basically, when everyone’s economies are so entangled, they said, nobody would want to go to war because of how expensive it would be. Their model, I think, only works for democracies. When a dictator controls a country, and their quality of life remains unchanged and revolves mostly around delusions of grandeur (like an…

> Their model, I think, only works for democracies.

Completely agree but I suspect democracy is not enough. When a leader manages to assume a power that can be kept by other means like nationalistic rhetoric or cultural issues they can too engage in economically irrational politics.

People often rally behind ideas about god, identity or ideology. In fact this is very natural and expected because otherwise people could have accepted offers like "if you let me exterminate this group of people I will give you gas at discount".

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In Sweden we haven’t separated their power supply from anything else, so rolling blackouts will kill them as well. And the blackouts are probably coming sooner than a fix can be in place

There are different generations/eras of "towers". The ones dating from NMT and the cold war have their own little shrapnel-protected bunkers and most likely UPS:s. The latest ones which hang on every roof in cities might be turned off, but it just means phones scan until they find 2G/3G signals.

I remember in the several hour long power outage in Southern Sweden in 2003 the GSM network was still up

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

Question: could Russian disinformation have played a role in germanys policy here? Perhaps they were pushing anti nuclear viewpoints for a decade leading up to this? To be clear, I have zero evidence either way, I’m just curious how large an effect these campaigns have had on public policy across the world

I wouldn’t use that word. Germany made choices, and believed in a way that Russia could be pulled westward. Russia intended to use this belief to its own advantage at Western Europe’s expense. People pointed this out, but German politicians shouted that down as cold war thinking.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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There is a penn and teller episode where they argued that globalization was creating world peace. Basically, when everyone’s economies are so entangled, they said, nobody would want to go to war because of how expensive it would be. Their model, I think, only works for democracies. When a dictator controls a country, and their quality of life remains unchanged and revolves mostly around delusions of grandeur (like an…

> There is a penn and teller episode where they argued that globalization was creating world peace. This is something that worries me about covid supply chain onshoring. > Their model, I think, only works for democracies. It's kept China in-line, but it's also made North Korea a pariah state. The other lesson we recently got in world peace is countries with nukes can do what they want to countries without nukes. Coul…

> countries with nukes can do what they want

Tragedy of the commons: to save the world, we need to get rid of all the nukes. But unless you have nukes, you are helpless against everyone around you, so everyone has to get nukes (or a trustworthy ally who has them)

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

Question: could Russian disinformation have played a role in germanys policy here? Perhaps they were pushing anti nuclear viewpoints for a decade leading up to this? To be clear, I have zero evidence either way, I’m just curious how large an effect these campaigns have had on public policy across the world

Of course, everyone is a booster for their own cause.

The angles of attack range from the top-down to the grass roots. There are tactics for each (e.g. corrupting state leaders vs controlling mass media narratives).

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You don't have to believe that every government in the West is lying about it. You just have to believe that one government (the one who did it) is lying, and the rest don't know because they weren't told.

You don't even need one government to lie; you only need a small portion thereof.

And if you did it right, you could have setup this whole procedure ages ago and then have complete deniability.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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I've been in South Africa for the last month, which has had an energy crisis since around 2007 and somehow they manage to keep mobile networks up during load shedding. There are 2:30 hour (sometimes 4:30 hour) blackouts daily and yet everything seems to keep chugging along. Mobile towers are probably have some of the highest electricity:benefit ratios out there, it would be silly to not prioritize them.

If everything is tied to the "same grid" you may not be able to shut off only specific classes of customers.

If the grid is designed for unreliability, you probably have the ability to order load sheds of various levels, so you can cut power to houses without cutting streetlights and cell towers.

Alternatively, you could have it built into smart meters.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#128

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

It’s worse than you think. Germany blocked or was against a large number of alternative pipelines and was preparing to actively block nuclear at an eu level.

Which pipelines are you talking about?

"actively block at an eu level"

Do you mean not labeling investment in nuclear as green?

Because that is very fair, if I invest my money in "green energy" I don't expect to fund nuclear.

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Not trying to argue with you, just trying to understand as someone from a neighboring country — could you elaborate a bit more about what happened with the Conservative Party undermining the green energy effort? And how close would Germany realistically have been to being completely self-sufficient by now if that didn’t happen?

Realistically: not close at all. But significantly less close: in the last few years, German renewable buildup per capita effectively collapsed. Expressed in the most German units imaginable, buildup dropped from "world champion" to "failed to qualify for the tournament". Part of it is certainly caused by running out of low-hanging fruits, but yay can't be the only explanation.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

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