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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by ajross »

mc32 wrote: post #86
ajross wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's upsetting that so many here want to take a genuine (and very scary) international crisis and use it to flog their own personal peeves. Needless to say, "German energy policy of the last two decades" and "Let's Invade Ukraine and Blackmail Europe!" are different decisions , and subject to different analysis. You can have reasonable opinions about both, but if your opposition to Russian adventurism and brinksmansh…

What's the advantage of blowing up a pipeline over simply shutting the valve when you control the valve AND supply?

Removing the incentive for your own power structure to knife you in the back to get the gas pipe turned back on.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by mjthrowaway1 »

mrtksn wrote: post #74
scifibestfi wrote: post #61

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

This place started to think in memes I feel. Every issue comes with the automated arguments, the same ones every time. If the topic is energy someone must write the "they shouldn't have closed those Nuclear power plants, silly environmentalist". Anyway, France is full blown nuclear state and they are having energy issues too, because as it turns out nuclear power plants require long regular maintenance periods. Maybe…

While the arguments are repetitive this isn’t a culture war. The EU made its bed (or more likely, imported it) and now has to sleep in it. Deindustrialization has been ongoing.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by DoughnutHole »

jefftk wrote: post #40
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #26

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The less reliable the grid, the more backup power is planned into infrastructure like cell towers. In Europe the grid has historically been quite reliable, so backup options are likely more limited at these sites.

Yes: this is the same as when an inch of snow shuts down a warm city and people from cold cities say "we handle worse storms several times a month". People engineer for likely conditions, and those aren't the same everywhere.

Hot weather too - runways were melting in the UK this year in what would be regular summer temperatures in Arizona. The engineers weren't feckless - few people plan for conditions that literally haven't happened once in 200 years of records.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by throw827474737 »

mrtksn wrote: post #74
scifibestfi wrote: post #61

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

This place started to think in memes I feel. Every issue comes with the automated arguments, the same ones every time. If the topic is energy someone must write the "they shouldn't have closed those Nuclear power plants, silly environmentalist". Anyway, France is full blown nuclear state and they are having energy issues too, because as it turns out nuclear power plants require long regular maintenance periods. Maybe…

Yeah 100%, given we need to keep our nuclears now on to mainly support France's rotten ones and neglecting the lobbying and corruption that happened and didn't get us much further away from fossil+nuclear (we are shedding wind and bio gas right now again) is the actual depressing thing..

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by [deleted] »

m348e912 wrote: post #82
ajross wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's upsetting that so many here want to take a genuine (and very scary) international crisis and use it to flog their own personal peeves. Needless to say, "German energy policy of the last two decades" and "Let's Invade Ukraine and Blackmail Europe!" are different decisions , and subject to different analysis. You can have reasonable opinions about both, but if your opposition to Russian adventurism and brinksmansh…

Honest question. How did you get to the logical conclusion that Russia is the most likely party that bombed Nordstream?

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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by mc32 »

ajross wrote: post #91
mc32 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the advantage of blowing up a pipeline over simply shutting the valve when you control the valve AND supply?

Removing the incentive for your own power structure to knife you in the back to get the gas pipe turned back on.

I think they have special "camps" and unfortunate mundane accidents such as inopportune tripping hazards next to open 10th floor windows and landlubbers swimming in open ocean for that.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by yrgulation »

glogla wrote: post #88
stingraycharles wrote: post #80

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Why would they do that, what’s their motivation?

Being "green".

Not just that. Keeping east europe under developed and thus reliant on “eu funding” coupled with corruption and sheer incompetence.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

amalter wrote: post #67
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #35

My serious question: Is this a way for the EU nations to quell public uprisings from fuel shortages by limiting network communications while not taking the blame for it?

No. They are talking about limited disruptions to limited areas due to planned load shedding. If your power and phone are out for 4-6 hours - is that going to suppress your ability to protest? I know I'm not supposed to do this, but is this "concern trolling"? I can't see how you could get from A->B unless you're trying to rabble rouse?

I got from A -> B because

https://www.wionews.com/photos/in-pics-protests-across-europ...

https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/03/31/government-internet...

It is not a fault, but a virtue to be suspicious of governments during times of protest. Does a 4 hour black out slow down protests? Probably not, but it does not stop countries like India from constantly doing so:

https://therecord.media/governments-intentionally-shut-down-...

Planting narratives in the media is not an unusual agency tactic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinio...

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by jaywalk »

ajross wrote: post #90
m348e912 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question. How did you get to the logical conclusion that Russia is the most likely party that bombed Nordstream?

Quoted post unavailable.

You don't have to believe that every government in the West is lying about it. You just have to believe that one government (the one who did it) is lying, and the rest don't know because they weren't told.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Post by rr888 »

scifibestfi wrote: post #61

"Russia's decision to halt gas supplies via Europe's key supply route in the wake of the Ukraine conflict has increased the chances of power shortages." Europe's decision, Germany especially, to be reliant on Russia for energy when they could have not shut down nuclear plants and built more.

Russia and Germany have been at war for centuries. The last few decades when their economies became co-dependent was a blissful peace. Beware the long term consequences of buiding a new wall between them.
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