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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by chaostheory »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #49
amatecha wrote: post #45

Oh wow, this app got pulled from everything because it's an unofficial 3rd party client for Instagram? I'll say it again, companies should be legally forbidden from blocking 3rd party clients. They don't have to explicitly support them, but taking action to explicitly thwart them (and writing ToS that forbids them) should be outlawed. There's no reason I should have to be subjected to untold tracking, snooping and ad…

Without control of the client, it gets much harder to fight abuse.

Meta isn't some utility people can't live without. It's optional. If you're worried about abuse, then don't use it.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by Matheus28 »

josephcsible wrote: post #150
dleslie wrote: post #138

Many folks on here might be too young to remember, but there was an era where cable companies served premium channels with a scrambled signal to all customers, and sold access by way of attaching the appropriate filter. In fact, all channels were protected in this way, with your cable box holding the necessary filters. Albeit, some were merely hidden by a band pass filter and not scrambled. Anyhow, those arguing that…

If a third party can build a box to decrypt your encryption without you providing a key, then instead of suing the third party out of existence, you should pick a new encryption algorithm that's actually secure. Consider this analogy: should Master Lock be able to sue companies that make padlock shims, since several of their locks are vulnerable to shimming attacks?

If people use weak locks on their house I should be able to pick them and let myself in, right?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by LtWorf »

Matheus28 wrote: post #136
felipellrocha wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I mostly agree with you, banning the personal accounts from their *team* is a bit much. Specially considering how that also includes access to Instagram, and WhatsApp, WhatsApp being the biggest issue here since in many countries that is considered a way of conducting business.

I agree, it's a bit much. But they are all violating the ToS they accepted so...

You mean that document saying something like: "we can do what we want, no recourse possible"?

That should be forbidden too.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by kredd »

josephcsible wrote: post #119
likpok wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An app downloading data on behalf of the user is basically what Cambridge Analytica was doing. The problem is that data ownership is complicated. If I know your phone number, can I share it with other people? That was CA (me downloading data about all my friends). Here the issue is private messages — is it okay for me to share the messages you sent privately to me? A lot of people will get quite upset if you do that!

If I send you something, you should be able to copy and distribute it as you see fit, no matter what I wish you would and wouldn't do with it, and my recourse should be limited to not sending you more things in the future.

What if you make me sign some sort of NDA/ToS?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by cortesoft »

amatecha wrote: post #174
cortesoft wrote: post #147

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Ok... what if they said, "it is free if you use our app and let us advertise to you, or you can pay us and use any client you want"?

That would be awesome. Right now, you usually get an even less favorable choice than that! For example with Spotify, you either use their app and see ads, or you pay and don't see ads, but still are forced to use their app.

That is probably a licensing requirement for the providers of the music. They likely require some form of DRM in their agreement with Spotify.

If anyone could make an App, how would Spotify be able to properly track song plays and whatever else they need in order to pay the rights holders?

Plus, someone would end up creating a 3rd party client that silently plays some song, unbeknownst to the user, in order to rack up plays and earn more money.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by Matheus28 »

int_19h wrote: post #178
Matheus28 wrote: post #83

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Why should 3rd parties be allowed to make unauthorized api requests? Additionally, some apps are only monetized through advertisement, and 3rd party apps don't display them. How do you expect the 1st party to stay in business? I don't align with Meta on a lot of issues, but they should be able to control what apps interact with their platform. Don't like it, don't use it.

> some apps are only monetized through advertisement, and 3rd party apps don't display them. How do you expect the 1st party to stay in business? They're welcome to find a different business model. Why should we sacrifice interoperability for everyone for their sake?

Why should you get to use their servers and resources if they don't want you to be using them without displaying ads?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by josephcsible »

kredd wrote: post #184
josephcsible wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I send you something, you should be able to copy and distribute it as you see fit, no matter what I wish you would and wouldn't do with it, and my recourse should be limited to not sending you more things in the future.

What if you make me sign some sort of NDA/ToS?

To be clear, I'm not saying that there should be no consequences if you distribute a message that I didn't want you to. I'm just saying that I shouldn't be able to stop you from doing so. If you signed a contract saying you wouldn't, and then you do, I should still be able to sue for that, but the existence of such a contract shouldn't let me control your technology to prevent you from breaking it in the first place.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by Matheus28 »

LtWorf wrote: post #183
Matheus28 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, it's a bit much. But they are all violating the ToS they accepted so...

You mean that document saying something like: "we can do what we want, no recourse possible"? That should be forbidden too.

I'm pretty sure there's a line there about reverse engineering

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by jjulius »

cortesoft wrote: post #167
jjulius wrote: post #145

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>Yes... Do you have evidence of this? An example of network traffic indicating that the app is communicating with something other than Meta, perhaps?

How is Meta supposed to verify this? And verify that they don't start behaving badly in the future? This is what got Facebook in trouble with the FTC... they allowed developers access to all the users data without oversight. They are required by their settlement to not just trust app devs that they won't abuse the data.

That's not what I am asking. GP said that this third-party app is violating user privacy, and I am asking for evidence of that. As of now, there's nothing to suggest that the app is doing more than we're led to believe they are. CA went beyond what they claimed they were doing.

That said, while I don't disagree with the point you're making, I disagree with the approach. There's a difference between recognizing that the market is interested in the approach the third-party app is taking and working with them to figure out how to move forward together, and nuking from orbit the unconnected personal accounts of everyone tied to the app on LinkedIn.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by userbinator »

tptacek wrote: post #149
bfdm wrote: post #141

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Why shouldn't I be able to uae the software of my choosing? If i habe an account and have properly authenticated, the client I use is my choice. You can't reasonably make the "go elsewhere" argument with the monopoly hold FB has on much social data. We need to choose yo regulate them and others to force interoperability, or at the very least allow comcom explicitly (competitive compatibility).

Because your access to their API is conditioned on an agreement not to use unauthorized clients. You are free to use the software of your choosing in conjunction with your own computers, but not necessarily with everybody else's.

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