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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by nilssonanders »

slimsag wrote: post #122
amatecha wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup! As a Twitter user since 2007 I've watched as 3rd party clients were superior by far (TweetDeck was still my favorite), and have now been left in the dust as Twitter leaves them for dead by cutting off API features to them. Twitter itself has never made a client as good as TweetDeck or TweetBot, and invariably never will.

> Twitter itself has never made a client as good as TweetDeck or TweetBot, and invariably never will. tweetdeck.twitter.com exists and I use it regularly, what am I missing?

Twitter bought Tweetdeck for $40 Million in 2011.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by voidwtf »

josephcsible wrote: post #95
voidwtf wrote: post #28

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https://help.instagram.com/581066165581870 Except for the part where the TOS explicitly states that you will be banned from all Metas products…

This argument feels like it would also work to support indentured servitude, since people agree to that at the beginning too.

That’s a pretty hot take, can you elaborate? I’m not sure I understand.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by bagels »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #41
ipsum2 wrote: post #27

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> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

An app downloading on behalf of the user isn't a privacy issue. Are their servers acting as a proxy? Whether that's a privacy issue depends on how they configure/limit/audit their servers.

The FTC consent decree disagrees with this take.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by abigail95 »

Why haven't they also banned adblock developers too?

Should they?

There is no logical difference between:

Creating a new web browser that renders HTML from www.instagram.com and manipulating it via extensions.

The OG app that renders JSON from api.instagram.com.

If we can do one, why not the other?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by cortesoft »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #41
ipsum2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

An app downloading on behalf of the user isn't a privacy issue. Are their servers acting as a proxy? Whether that's a privacy issue depends on how they configure/limit/audit their servers.

How is Facebook supposed to know how they configure/limit/audit their servers?

Are they just supposed to take their word for it?

Cambridge Analytica said they weren't abusing their access, too.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by Matheus28 »

josephcsible wrote: post #114
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #49

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Without control of the client, it gets much harder to fight abuse.

Do you also support games using client-side anti-cheat in your OS kernel?

This seems a bit unrelated but I'll chime in with my opinion.

Unfortunately for some types of games (first person shooters), a modified client can be game ruining for other players. For me, as long as it's only running while the client is running, and doesn't send private data remotely, I'm okay with it.

At least on Windows there's not much difference in terms of privacy of something running in the kernel vs userland in the same user as your important documents. It can read your entire filesystem and attach to running apps anyway without needing kernel access. So the "in your OS kernel" part is only concerning if their anti-cheat is coded poorly enough to cause a BSoD.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by etchalon »

josephcsible wrote: post #107
etchalon wrote: post #30

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I don't know what definition of free market would exclude the idea that private companies can take actions to protect their property.

The one that says meaningful competition will exist.

I don't see how a service which just regurgitates the content of another service is "competition".

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by cortesoft »

josephcsible wrote: post #123
xvector wrote: post #68

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That is a naive view. If/when the app devs go malicious, it will be Meta on the legal hook for users' "stolen data." The press and users will blame Meta, not the developers of this app, or the users that unwittingly handed over their data. The headlines will say "X million Facebook users' data leaked," or "X million Facebook users hacked." Meta is acting in an entirely reasonable manner for a company under such regul…

Does Microsoft get blamed every time credentials get stolen from a Windows box? Why would this be any different?

If Microsoft provided a public API where you could download all the credentials for both the user and all their friends, then yes, Microsoft would be blamed.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by fzeroracer »

God I hate having to defend Facebook in any way shape or form, but this is the right call. Not only is this company sort of suspicious looking at it, but as another user brought up they don't even have a privacy policy. I have no clue what the extent of data or permissions their app has once you sign in as a user.

This is a PR nightmare waiting to happen because they're siphoning data using a reverse engineered API. You could argue 'what's the worst that could happen' but if they're inserting themselves into the middle of that process, they can effectively behave as that user and request anything they wanted as that user.

OAuth exists for a reason and it's to ensure that users are made aware of what exactly an app is requesting on behalf of them and so that full chain can be properly tracked. If you really want to argue that third party clients should be allowed then it should be from the standpoint of forcing companies to offer something along those lines, not this. People defending this app is horrifying from a security standpoint.

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