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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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If you've ever worked on an online service, you might realize that what you ship for the client is almost irrelevant -- it can all be reverse engineered and an unofficial client can _always_ be created. This happens for all online services, even if it's just someone's data-mining app running on a local machine. The number one rule is "never trust what comes from the client", because it's trivial to create carefully-c…

You should check out Apple App Attest —- this just isn’t true any more for mobile. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/valida...

Does still this work on jailbroken phones where you can let apps modify the memory of other running apps (ala CheatEngine)?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. What makes you think they can't ban yours - you don't even have any nuclear launch codes...

the personal account of the president, an important and not pedantic distinction because as a citizen he has no more rights than anyone else, despite having a lot of might. The president's not a king or a queen who can just walk into whatever place he or she wants, in my book a win for the rights of private citizens and companies in a Republic.

Personal account? He was forced to unblock users: https://mashable.com/article/trump-unblocks-twitter-accounts

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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post #34

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> I agree it’s petty The pettiness isn't the problem, the extra-legal power that consolidation of capital and media enables is. Competition in the market ceases to be about the best product at the best price, and becomes a game of strategic alliances and power abuse instead. Edit: To clarify once more: Facebook may have a legitimate interest in keeping this company off Instagram. What it does not have is a moral righ…

This wasn’t competition though. This was straight up theft of resources/services. What? “extra-legal”? Don’t mix this with other behaviors Meta/Facebook/Instagram engage in, I hate them for all the bullsht they get away with too. However, this isn’t that, this is someone trying to build a platform on top of someone else’s platform explicitly against their terms of service and without reimbursing them.

> This was straight up theft of resources/services.

Are you claiming that building and/or using adblocking software is theft?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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post #38

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Listen, I really didn’t like the way your machine consumed your resources, so I built my own machine that consumes your resources. You should totally let me do this because it’s what your users want. Oh, and I also told your users to stop paying you because that’s anti consumer. Meta is wrong in a lot of ways, but this isn’t the right way to fix the problem. Just remove Meta from the equation entirely.

What The OG App did was the equivalent of building and distributing a third-party telephone, rather than everyone having to use one rented from Ma Bell.

This is only true if you also agree that they used a pair of alligator clips and attached it to the copper wires on the pole as well.

The infrastructure has real costs, the api development, storage, and maintenance that they aren’t compensating Meta to use.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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post #68

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An app downloading on behalf of the user isn't a privacy issue. Are their servers acting as a proxy? Whether that's a privacy issue depends on how they configure/limit/audit their servers.

That is a naive view. If/when the app devs go malicious, it will be Meta on the legal hook for users' "stolen data." The press and users will blame Meta, not the developers of this app, or the users that unwittingly handed over their data. The headlines will say "X million Facebook users' data leaked," or "X million Facebook users hacked." Meta is acting in an entirely reasonable manner for a company under such regul…

Blocking the app from accessing Instagram is one thing. Permanently banning the Facebook accounts of all the employees is another.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Without control of the client, it gets much harder to fight abuse.

If you've ever worked on an online service, you might realize that what you ship for the client is almost irrelevant -- it can all be reverse engineered and an unofficial client can _always_ be created. This happens for all online services, even if it's just someone's data-mining app running on a local machine. The number one rule is "never trust what comes from the client", because it's trivial to create carefully-c…

back when MechWarrior Online was still pretty new, I reversed the login app (100% .Net, very little obfuscation) which allowed me to access test servers that were testing an unreleased map. Fun times

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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The company retaliated against their employees through unrelated services it happens to also own? Is this the kind of free market we want? Turf wars?

I don't know what definition of free market would exclude the idea that private companies can take actions to protect their property.

The one that says meaningful competition will exist.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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post #27

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> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

> Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link That’s not true at all. They have a privacy policy linked at the bottom of their page. It opens in a new tab by default which is probably blocked by our adblocker.

According to the source code, the link is broken for desktop (class="footer_component desktop"), but not mobile (class="footer_component mobile").

   Privacy Policy
is a non-functional link.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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post #3

These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. What makes you think they can't ban yours - you don't even have any nuclear launch codes...

Most any business can ban a president. Put up a sign in your gas station and poof, you’ve banned Joe Biden.

What you’re talking about is the platforms relenting and finally enforcing their own terms of service. In this case, _not_ giving a president special exemption from rules that would have caused another user to be banned.

The only special treatment they applied was ignoring their rules for years. Your imagined persecution was simply equal treatment.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Oh wow, this app got pulled from everything because it's an unofficial 3rd party client for Instagram? I'll say it again, companies should be legally forbidden from blocking 3rd party clients. They don't have to explicitly support them, but taking action to explicitly thwart them (and writing ToS that forbids them) should be outlawed. There's no reason I should have to be subjected to untold tracking, snooping and ad…

Why should 3rd parties be allowed to make unauthorized api requests? Additionally, some apps are only monetized through advertisement, and 3rd party apps don't display them. How do you expect the 1st party to stay in business? I don't align with Meta on a lot of issues, but they should be able to control what apps interact with their platform. Don't like it, don't use it.

Should phone companies get to force you to use phones you rent from them, instead of having the freedom to bring your own?
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