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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

The privacy policy link being broken is definitely unfortunate. Anyway, here's the page it is supposed to link to https://www.theogapp.com/privacy

It’s not broken, it opens in a new tab. Your browser or adblocker is probably breaking it.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. What makes you think they can't ban yours - you don't even have any nuclear launch codes...

*These companies can ban a terrorist from abusing their platforms as a terrorist control channel, banning him years too late due to their corrupt incentives.

These companies don't ban real terrorists, though: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/twitter-refuses-ban-tali...

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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> I agree it’s petty The pettiness isn't the problem, the extra-legal power that consolidation of capital and media enables is. Competition in the market ceases to be about the best product at the best price, and becomes a game of strategic alliances and power abuse instead. Edit: To clarify once more: Facebook may have a legitimate interest in keeping this company off Instagram. What it does not have is a moral righ…

This wasn’t competition though. This was straight up theft of resources/services. What? “extra-legal”? Don’t mix this with other behaviors Meta/Facebook/Instagram engage in, I hate them for all the bullsht they get away with too. However, this isn’t that, this is someone trying to build a platform on top of someone else’s platform explicitly against their terms of service and without reimbursing them.

It's hard to be sympathetic to a company that operates morally dubious amounts of data harvesting. If a program enables you to gain more privacy while using the internet, it's a moral good.

I don't consider it to be stealing any resources or services. It's little different than an ad and tracker blocker on a browser. Any client-side user agent should have the right to act on behalf of the user. If it's not illegal to build this kind of program yourself to protect yourself, it shouldn't be illegal for another company to build it and profit from it. A company like Facebook shouldn't have the right to strategically stifle innovation and improvement, in a way that makes the market better for the consumer. That undermines the entire point of capitalism, which is to benefit maximally for the consumer by forcing companies to out-do each other. It reads more like anti-competitive behavior to me, and Facebook refusing to try to properly adapt to somebody making their product better than they can do themselves.

If Ford produced an on-board tracking device that tracked your use of the car to sell to advertisers, and another company sold a device that disabled the tracker permanently, there would be no good reason for Ford to be able to forcefully ban the company from buying their cars. Even if the car was sold at a loss because the ad revenue subsidized the remainder and then some.

People are hungry for privacy and a better experience. Facebook needs to learn to adapt for the good of the consumer, or die by letting other companies eat their lunch. This is good capitalism. It sucks for Facebook, but it's good for the public.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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There is in fact a way to verify whether the application sends the data elsewhere.. The most basic of network monitoring tools will immediately indicate what external hosts are being communicated with. If all the network activity is strictly with Instagram's servers, it's plainly clear that the app dev is not siphoning off user data. So, this is why I ask. It's actually really easy to find out what network hosts a pi…

Meta doesn’t have the ability to monitor its users’ computers to see if any of them end up having data sent to a server.

Again, I'm asking _the person in the thread above_ who made these claims that the app is stealing user data to provide any supporting evidence, perhaps via the methods I described in my last comment. I'm not talking about Meta.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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> Well, what did they expect? It would be good if companies did not ban you on one site for violating the TOS of a completely different site.

https://help.instagram.com/581066165581870 Except for the part where the TOS explicitly states that you will be banned from all Metas products…

This argument feels like it would also work to support indentured servitude, since people agree to that at the beginning too.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Personally, I feel Meta has the right to do so.

Do they have the right to do so today? Of course. Should they have the right to do so? Definitely not, and that's why we want to see laws in this space changed.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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If you've ever worked on an online service, you might realize that what you ship for the client is almost irrelevant -- it can all be reverse engineered and an unofficial client can _always_ be created. This happens for all online services, even if it's just someone's data-mining app running on a local machine. The number one rule is "never trust what comes from the client", because it's trivial to create carefully-c…

You should check out Apple App Attest —- this just isn’t true any more for mobile. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/valida...

I haven't read it thoroughly, but given the App Attest service runs on the OS, why can't someone just find the certificate for it hidden somewhere and use that to sign fake attests in userland? This is just an extra layer of obfuscation. It doesn't prevent someone from faking api calls with no app (or phone) involved.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Oh wow, this app got pulled from everything because it's an unofficial 3rd party client for Instagram? I'll say it again, companies should be legally forbidden from blocking 3rd party clients. They don't have to explicitly support them, but taking action to explicitly thwart them (and writing ToS that forbids them) should be outlawed. There's no reason I should have to be subjected to untold tracking, snooping and ad…

Why should 3rd parties be allowed to make unauthorized api requests? Additionally, some apps are only monetized through advertisement, and 3rd party apps don't display them. How do you expect the 1st party to stay in business? I don't align with Meta on a lot of issues, but they should be able to control what apps interact with their platform. Don't like it, don't use it.

The 3rd party is not making the API request though. I am, just using software that didn't come from the platform vendor.

Many 3rd party twitter clients have expressed a willingness to display ads if provided an API to do so.

As someone who has lost precious accessibility capabilities because of restrictions on 3rd party clients, I unfortunately have to point out that I don't really have a choice of what platforms I do or don't interact with in a lot of cases. I wouldn't stay at my job for very long if I didn't tolerate Slack's BS, for instance.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Maybe I’m just a graybeard but all this is reminiscent of the shenanigans that Ma Bell pulled. Not exactly the same but similar. History doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes, as they say.

There’s a very simple solution here: common carrier. Treat social media as a modern utility. No viewpoint discrimination, censorship, algorithmic social manipulation or proprietary on-ramps.

The bad behavior has gone on long enough.

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