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Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

#61
Honest question and frankly scared to ask because it sounds stupid: if you have like 30 mins of downtime on AWS every year and spend 3x cost on managing their infrastructure risk by deploying it on multi-AZ and multi-region (and thereby AWS pushing reliability management back to the customer); is the value proposition of cloud just some dude to install a disk if it goes out on a rack in your office? May be there is a reverse incentive for AWS to keep their AZ's slightly unreliable so that customers spend 3x or 9x or what have you to make sure nothing ever goes down.

Like what's wrong with on-prem? Lack of diesel generators? We could just have that without AWS. Bare metal datacenter. Counter to most opinions, I think managing a server isn't that difficult. I am sort of a semi-professional and prosumer that has no trouble managing servers for years on end with less downtime than a whole fricking datacenter.

There is more serious discussion and new revelations around this [1], [2]. Sometimes it is hard to ask questions about layers of abstractions that have built up and no one dares to think about getting rid of them.

[1] https://www.economist.com/business/2021/07/03/do-the-costs-o...

[2] https://oxide.computer/

Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

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Batteries going out have never locked me out of my home. Seems like you're putting way too much thought into something that probably won't happen, being 2022 with notifications and all. I don't justify my choices with 0.1% chances.

You seem to put trust in technology to do important tasks, when they have problems securing a stupid light bulbs. There's a joke about it: Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future! Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own i…

I don't have gun for that, but a baseball bat instead. That scene from Office Space made such an impression, and I swear one day, I will recreate it on a piece of gear that steps out of line.

Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

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Honest question and frankly scared to ask because it sounds stupid: if you have like 30 mins of downtime on AWS every year and spend 3x cost on managing their infrastructure risk by deploying it on multi-AZ and multi-region (and thereby AWS pushing reliability management back to the customer); is the value proposition of cloud just some dude to install a disk if it goes out on a rack in your office? May be there is a…

Security, Compliance, and Geographic footprint.

If you're a large multinational, you basically face the same threats as Google/AWS/MSFT but there's no way you can hire, train and keep as good a production security team as them (well maybe better than Azure, but I digress).

You can't afford the upfront contractual / capital costs to maintain datacenters in every region.

And finally you can't afford the armies of lawyers and compliance engineering teams to try and reason about your data residency and things like GDPR and CCPA.

In other words, you're mostly paying for production security / privacy incident response, compliance (lawyers) and datacenters.

Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

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i wonder if any smart locks are down, people being locked in or out of their AirBNBs would be pretty funny.

of all things to connect to a smart home, the locks to my house would be the absolute bottom of the list. i hate coming home when the power is out and cannot open the garage door. i couldn't imagine not being able to get in at all. as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever.

> as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever.

This would vary by jurisdiction, but locks without an unlock lever are usually prohibited by the fire code.

Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

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post #54
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Batteries going out have never locked me out of my home. Seems like you're putting way too much thought into something that probably won't happen, being 2022 with notifications and all. I don't justify my choices with 0.1% chances.

You seem to put trust in technology to do important tasks, when they have problems securing a stupid light bulbs. There's a joke about it: Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future! Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own i…

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Re: AWS us-west-2 issues

#69
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of all things to connect to a smart home, the locks to my house would be the absolute bottom of the list. i hate coming home when the power is out and cannot open the garage door. i couldn't imagine not being able to get in at all. as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever.

> as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever. This would vary by jurisdiction, but locks without an unlock lever are usually prohibited by the fire code.

interesting. my back door has a deadbolt requiring a key on both sides. ..it's an old house.
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