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Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Why can't hitmen claim to be bespoke pest exterminators?

OK, so I don't know about the hitmen thing, but there's been plenty of news stories about "independent masseuses" and "incense", "bath salts", etc. People do stuff like this. I too wonder how they get away with it for as long as they do.

It's totally a solution on an individual level, if not a long term solution. It's just not a solution at the societal level.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Tobacco is tolerated, not celebrated. There is a large gap between someone's vices being no one's business and actively celebrating them.

If you enjoy the status quo on tobacco, the people you have to thank for it are strong, dedicated anti-smoking advocates who think smoking is absolutely their business and would happily ban it if that were politically feasible. It used to be that smoking was celebrated and as a consequence happened everywhere. Stepping into a restaurant, bar, or airplane meant breathing in clouds of cigarette smoke. Smokers at the ti…

If someone out there is actively advocating to be able to have sex with a prostitute next to you in a restraunt then I see your point. Otherwise prostitution is already not part of public life.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Society? You're painting an awfully broad brush. I absolutely think it should be regulated because of the reasons you name, but it's mainly particular demographics that want sex work banned, and generally these demographics don't actually care about the well-being of sex workers (re: provably negative consequences for sex workers in previous situations where such work was made illegal or otherwise deregulated and pun…

The “particular demographics” who want to ban prostitution include “the majority of women.” https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me... Women oppose legalized sex work at higher rates than men, because they’d be the ones who would encounter social pressure to do sex work in tough economic circumstances if it became normalized.

Women are probably more likely than men to have their spouse cheat on them with a prostitute. I bet that's part of it.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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The Tumblr de-porning was the single most SMH business moment I may have heard of since Yahoo’s previous worst business move ever of not buying Google. I mean - my God … Yahoo may very well be the single dumbest major tech company in history. Just…blunder after blunder after shitty decision. Watching its history is almost the definition of seeing a slow motion train wreck. It’s almost impressive. With regards to Tumb…

The only reason I can think of is some executive was so morally opposed to it that they value getting rid of the NSFW stuff on Tumblr over money. Twitter had no qualms taking in the manly Tumblr users who went over there instead.

From what I recall at the time it was because Yahoo wanted to go down the standard ad serving model to monetize tumblr and the presence of porn was getting in the way of that. They didn't realize or didn't believe that one of the big reasons a lot of people were on tumblr to begin with was for smut.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Maybe I should have been more specific: cyber-crime. Ransomware is a perfect use case for crypto.

Yes! CYBERcrime! Those criminals are so dumb that they cannot figure out how to ask for money any other way. Let's cherrypick one thing and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Also CC fraud that impacts all of us is done using crypto. Silly me.

You seem passionate about crypto. What real non-illegal use cases interest you?

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Yes! CYBERcrime! Those criminals are so dumb that they cannot figure out how to ask for money any other way. Let's cherrypick one thing and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Also CC fraud that impacts all of us is done using crypto. Silly me.

You seem passionate about crypto. What real non-illegal use cases interest you?

When you say stuff like real, non-illegal you close the door to conversation.

With crypto you can exchange money with anyone in the world without an intermediary. Visa/Mastercard cannot ban you. This in itself is huge (most people think about this as an abstract problem that has low likelihood until it happens). There are no borders, there is no censorship.

Sex work? Nope. The powers to be decided that's not allowed. Remember when OF wanted to ban all explicit content?

MJ? Legal in a lot of places at state level. But you can only buy it with cash. Think about that for a sec: you're allowed by the local laws to do something buy you cannot do it.

Does giving money to support people/orgs in underdeveloped countries that cannot afford to use the normal banking channels count as use case?

Do you know what happened in Venezuela recently when their currency crashed and how the managed to stay afloat somehow?

Do you understand inflation and how what is currently happening is just another form of taxation? Is inflation and central bank policies doomimg an economy a real use case?

Have you heard about civil asset forfeiture? Abstract af until something like this happens to you. Is that a real use case?

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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If you enjoy the status quo on tobacco, the people you have to thank for it are strong, dedicated anti-smoking advocates who think smoking is absolutely their business and would happily ban it if that were politically feasible. It used to be that smoking was celebrated and as a consequence happened everywhere. Stepping into a restaurant, bar, or airplane meant breathing in clouds of cigarette smoke. Smokers at the ti…

If someone out there is actively advocating to be able to have sex with a prostitute next to you in a restraunt then I see your point. Otherwise prostitution is already not part of public life.

There are people out there (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/09/sex-work-...) advocating for prostitution as a reasonable career path which should be discussed openly with women who feel undervalued or unfulfilled in their current career.

I don't think people are gonna start plowing each other in public, but I think there's a very real possibility that in a decade or two it could be considered strange and prudish to tell your friends and family that they shouldn't make an OnlyFans. I've seen some spaces online that are already at that point, although it's always hard to know whether online subcultures represent anything in the real world.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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> Because no one's throwing around "your father is a prostitute" as an insult. There's all kinds of things that people insult men/fathers for that they wouldn't use for women/mothers (e.g. strength, financial success, etc). It's just gender roles, not generalized contempt for women (and going that far is probably just politically motivated exaggeration).

I think the contempt is there, because we're talking about someone's parent, and for some reason, all cultures (that I know of) picked the mother as the one being out of line. As in, when there's someone that's out of line, that has to be the woman. If this would be random, or balanced, we'd curse at others like your father is a deadbeat, or that your father's sperm is weak, and therefore you are weak, or things like…

> because we're talking about someone's parent, and for some reason, all cultures (that I know of) picked the mother as the one being out of line.

As the saying goes: "mother's a fact; father's an opinion".

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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I thought they believed sex work is fundamentally sinful and that's why it should be banned. I guess we talked to different conservatives.

Freedom of religion was supposed to be a thing in the US. Sin is not a good reason to make a law that binds those who don't follow the same religion

We fought a whole war to end chattel slavery because a movement largely composed of pious Christians believed it to be sinful.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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The founding of the USA had all 13 colonies with state churches. Sure, let’s return to that. Then all the states would outlaw this immoral practice.

And yet the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion and none of these 13 colonies banned prostitution, so it seems your assumption is incorrect.

The first Amendment guarantees that Congress will not establish a religion. The states already had them established.

And adultery was a capital crime, read between the lines.

Look, if your daughters came to you and said “we want to be whores for a living”, you’ve got bigger issues than arguing on this website.

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