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Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #114

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Because free sex makes disease and unwanted children, disease and unwanted children cause/suffer-from problems, disease and problems hurt society. This isn't just moral puritanism, it's for good. Promiscuous sex and many partners irreversibly negatively influences a person's pair-bonding ability at a chemical level, this destroys the family unit and does not benefit the empowered singles and divorced 'pair-couples' w…

Teaching safe sex is what prevents disease and unwanted children, not moralizing about sex. There are plenty of well adjusted people who are either in open relationships or have no desire to be in relationships. Being kind and treating people with respect is what strengthens families.

- A condom won't prevent diseases or unwanted children.

- Open relationships do not strengthen "families".

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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Again with the denigrating of sex work. It's a pervasive and ancient part of human society, but it should not be studied, because? We study bookmaking and banking and families and art, but not this because, it's naughty? it's taboo? it makes some uncomfortable? All that is a clear sign to me, that we need more such scholars.

It should be denigrated - it’s an abuse of another human being that’s often considered a form of modern slavery.

Have a read of this from an actual day-to-day UK prostitute:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-n...

NB: Being against sex work isn’t being against sex workers.

Edit: You know, I was going to moan about the downvotes - but I think I’ll leave it as when ultimately [flagged] it’ll be some kind of a testament to the mentality so devoid of empathy it can’t imagine how the business of sex for money can be worthy of denigration, even when given direct evidence of the grim reality of it from an actual prostitute.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #116

Content creators are also self-censoring to avoid automatic moderation (YouTube demonetization and TikTok shadowbanning). Things like "sex" and "death" are euphemized or not said (see things like "unalive" instead of "dead", "heckmet" instead of "helmet".

What's wrong with "helmet"?

It's a euphemism for penis.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #116

Content creators are also self-censoring to avoid automatic moderation (YouTube demonetization and TikTok shadowbanning). Things like "sex" and "death" are euphemized or not said (see things like "unalive" instead of "dead", "heckmet" instead of "helmet".

What's wrong with "helmet"?

it has "hell" in it.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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"It also establishes a precedent, allowing private companies to set opaque, moralizing, and arbitrary censorship terms without oversight." Yes, this is done with other things as well. On one hand, I think that the free market would create payment processors willing to work with the groups rejected by others. On the other hand, it seems that many financial things are set by international organizations, which the proce…

Corporate consolidation made sure that a lot of important markets aren't free anymore. Vertical integration between corporations made that even worse - e.g. if Visa won't process your payments, people with Apple phones won't be able to pay either. These kind of things - there's too little competition across many markets so big players just itegrate with themselves and newcomers simply can't compete due to integration…

It's important to point out that this is a natural consequence of a market system, and it's exacerbated by allowing capital to rule those markets.

Until we recognize that, we're not going to be able to fix it. One can't just declare that "If only the market were truly free, it wouldn't be like this." We've seen this play out on the freest market that has ever existed (the early internet) and we ended up in the exact same place - with a few massive players buying up all their competitors and completely dominating their verticals. There was as little regulation or government interference in the early internet as there has ever been in just about any market. And we still got there.

Corporate consolidation is a consequence of free markets, not a corruption of them.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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All this time, and technology hasn't solved this issue? Wasn't bitcoin supposed to be applicable here - anonymous transactions? Wasn't the internet supposed to enable humans to interact at will without censorship?

yes, but for the regular person getting bitcoin is still high friction.

I mean on a world when adding one extra step on your checkout will drop your conversion rate, getting people to buy btc before probably pushes you into being unprofitable.

this will be true when and IF bitcoin gets to be ubiquitous

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #77

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Having built a neobank. It’s fact that pornography is intertwined with sex trafficking, organized crime, revenge porn and other illegal activities. Regulators crack down on financial institutions if they are caught providing services for illegal activities.

Yeah, and it is a fact that cartel and authoritarian statist money laundering is intertwined with banking. See just about any story about Deutsche in the last decade. I've worked with sex-related sites before. And you're right that there are sleazy people in that industry. But it really isn't hard to distinguish, especially when you can see their payment stream. Without moralist obsessions with sex, nobody would care…

What's your point? Sans morals, nobody would care murder either.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #3

Crypto is an option here. Seems like a pretty good fit for what the sex workers need.

Crypto is even worse, for both customers and sex workers. A wad of cash is virtually untrackable and can be protected, crypto asset flows are by definition completely public, and the government already has the tools (both legal frameworks and the technology) to associate crypto accounts with identities.

It not the case that cryptocurrency flows are necessarily public, it's just a typical feature of blockchain based cryptocurrencies.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #114

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I think where the ship runs aground is that sexual things are treated as intrinsically amoral, because people feel its amoral. However, that feeling is no more legitimate than "green is the best color" (because my brain tells me it's the best). Edit: Just want to add - Homosexuality has the same illogical hurdle. It feels immoral to many people, so therefore it must be immoral. People are largely unable to separate t…

Because free sex makes disease and unwanted children, disease and unwanted children cause/suffer-from problems, disease and problems hurt society. This isn't just moral puritanism, it's for good. Promiscuous sex and many partners irreversibly negatively influences a person's pair-bonding ability at a chemical level, this destroys the family unit and does not benefit the empowered singles and divorced 'pair-couples' w…

If there's anything affecting reproduction rates, it doesn't seem to be permissive sexual norms but rather poor economic and professional conditions that preclude the establishment of a family, in conjunction with the general decrease in fertility when a region passes a certain point of development i.e. a child becomes a financial burden as opposed to an extra pair of hands.

Re: Why are sex workers forced to wear a financial scarlet letter?

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post #66

Among Swedish feminists and the left, sex work is completely unacceptable and prostitution is pretty much equated with rape. Is this not true for other countries?

It’s legal in the state of Nevada, at least in small counties.

It’s legal in Germany and the Netherlands.

Seems like there are some different views.

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