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Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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Twitter seems so persistently corrosive and unhappiness-inducing. Why is it? The author's complaints are about other physicists' behaviors and attitudes to her writing, but it looks like much of it is specifically about Twitter interactions: about unhappy, defective people on Twitter (smart physicists, even) drawing other people into their miasma. These are people using Twitter with good intentions : smart people who…

Simple: Twitter is a midwit amplification service

Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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Overfitted models do serve a purpose here though - particle physics has reached a point where you can't build models and theories on direct observation so instead the community is throwing a huge number of falsifiable overfitted models with the expectation that all but one or two will actually be confirmed experimentally. It's certainly a time consuming, expensive, non-ideal approach, but valid. The authors argument…

what does she propose instead? spend more on theorists? spend less on experiments? spend less on the whole?

She's proposing that the combined brain power of the community can be put to better propose.

Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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As someone who has no skin in the game at all, I find her way of presenting criticism very contrarian argumentative and snarky. She might be completely right, but I can definitely understand the reluctance to hear her out on merit of style.

To be fair, the personality and style of an author are invariably raised as issues when someone takes a contrary public position. If only she had asked more nicely.

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overfitted models do serve a purpose here though - particle physics has reached a point where you can't build models and theories on direct observation so instead the community is throwing a huge number of falsifiable overfitted models with the expectation that all but one or two will actually be confirmed experimentally. It's certainly a time consuming, expensive, non-ideal approach, but valid. The authors argument…

what does she propose instead? spend more on theorists? spend less on experiments? spend less on the whole?

She proposes to develop theories in more promising areas, ones that have explicit conflicts between different theories (quantum gravity, quantum measurement) or conflicts between theories and observation (dark matter).

The biggest problem with something like Supersymmetry is that, contrary to what the previous poster was saying, it is not a falsifiable theory. It has free parameters that can be used to predict that supersymmetric partners to the known particles would have any mass that hasn't been ruled out yet, more or less (maybe they can't be planet sized, but they can certainly have masses that would require accelerators the size of a solar system to rule out).

Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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> A lay person's opinion on the matter is worth nothing. And yet they still want my money. Weird.

Well that's not your choice to make, that's how taxation works. The government choose how to manage and spend a portion of your money. Do you think your opinion matters in deciding if a hospital should be built? Or if we should pay for a new vaccine? No, because you don't know anything about those things. And neither do I. So yes, I will take your money and build my big experiment, and I don't feel bad about it, beca…

This comment will be a wonderful exhibit in the letter I write to my congressman about waste, fraud, and abuse. Thank you!

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A lay person like a politician can complain they get no return on their investment, for example

Thankfully politicians don't think of science in terms of "return on investment" Obviously it must be justified as scientifically important, but they do not expect "something back". Government agencies generally take a more blurry and general approach to R&D, since you cannot predict what comes out of a given experiment. No one predicted an absolute revolution in squeezed light from gravitational wave detection for e…

Politicians think of Big Science in terms of appropriations and sending cash to their principals, who are neither the electorate nor scientists. They don’t consider any money that buys their re-election a waste. They don’t give a rat’s ass if you discover anything and it sounds like you know it. So-called science these days is little different from military spending. As usual, follow the money.

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I only have a master in (engineering) physics but working with statistical modeling and AI I’ve come to appreciate the “all models are wrong but some models are useful”-mindset, and I’ve started applying that to physical “laws” as well: I no longer see them as some divine truths waiting to be discovered, but more like models of the world that will always be wrong but sometimes useful. From that point of view what’s h…

Overfitted models do serve a purpose here though - particle physics has reached a point where you can't build models and theories on direct observation so instead the community is throwing a huge number of falsifiable overfitted models with the expectation that all but one or two will actually be confirmed experimentally. It's certainly a time consuming, expensive, non-ideal approach, but valid. The authors argument…

Many of these models aren't really falsifiable though - or at least, not falsifiable with any technology we can even conceive of today.

Supersymmetry has been ruled out twice already, but with a different choice of parameters, it is being proposed again - and, in fact, you can chose those parameters such that you would need the whole energy of the Sun, or more, to rule them out. String Theory and its few predictions are even worse in this regard.

Models of black hole evaporation would not only require extreme measurement precision, but also a good few billion years to collect any sort of data to confirm or deny.

Personally, I will note that I am hopeful some new insights into the measurement problem will come about from work on quantum computing, which is also eminently practical work.

Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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Well that's not your choice to make, that's how taxation works. The government choose how to manage and spend a portion of your money. Do you think your opinion matters in deciding if a hospital should be built? Or if we should pay for a new vaccine? No, because you don't know anything about those things. And neither do I. So yes, I will take your money and build my big experiment, and I don't feel bad about it, beca…

This comment will be a wonderful exhibit in the letter I write to my congressman about waste, fraud, and abuse. Thank you!

Where is the waste, fraud, and abuse in my comment?

Re: I've said it all before but here we go again

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully politicians don't think of science in terms of "return on investment" Obviously it must be justified as scientifically important, but they do not expect "something back". Government agencies generally take a more blurry and general approach to R&D, since you cannot predict what comes out of a given experiment. No one predicted an absolute revolution in squeezed light from gravitational wave detection for e…

Politicians think of Big Science in terms of appropriations and sending cash to their principals, who are neither the electorate nor scientists. They don’t consider any money that buys their re-election a waste. They don’t give a rat’s ass if you discover anything and it sounds like you know it. So-called science these days is little different from military spending. As usual, follow the money.

Politicians generally have almost no influence in scientific spending other than "here is a big block of R&D money". Those who dish out the money are not elected officials, at least not elected by the public.

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> Twitter seems so persistently corrosive and unhappiness-inducing. Why is it? > These are people using Twitter with good intentions I've seen a few good articles on the phenomenon, but I think it boils down to the fact that Twitter encourages/rewards constant conversation and anyone can pop up in any conversation. As a result, it rewards the most abrasive people who tweet the most. No sane, well-adjusted person with…

IMO this isn't just a Twitter thing. When I ran a company, we had a public forum that, in the beginning, was civilized. As we approached about 2000 people, that 5% you're talking about became so much of a problem that we had to shut them down. And in fact, it wasn't even 5% (100) people causing most of the problem: it was more like 10.

10 people or 10%?
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