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Franco was so bad that a law had to be enacted recently to stop people from cherishing him.
Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
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Franco was so bad that a law had to be enacted recently to stop people from cherishing him.
So? There are people in South Africa who think things were better under apartheid. Just because some subset of the population harks back to an earlier time, that doesn't mean they have a point.
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#143White Stolen Generation (Australian variant), checking in. My mother was physically, emotionally and pyschologically tortured by her own government for the simple fact of having had me, out of wedlock. I was taken as a baby, to be relocated to another family - a "proper, white one", that met the standards of the government at the time. Mum fought and screamed and kicked down the doors, and got a lawyer. And, a little…
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“Many people” being substantially in the minority, like 1-5% of an already microscopic population. Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize. Please don’t spread irrelevant, hateful flamewar bait and FUD in random threads as a way to Cunningham yourself out of ignorance.
> Non-surgical puberty blockers are completely reversible and do not sterilize. This is also an ideological stance. Please see https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2... for an evidence-based review that contests this. Edit: I'm not permitted to reply to the comment below, but I would like to point out that it's a rather shallow dismissal of a well-researched paper. I would recommend actually rea…
- https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.01.20241653v...
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03064...
- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2017.0052...
For example. There's definitely still studies to be done, but there is good evidence that puberty blockers are safe and reversible that this author seems to have missed
Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
#145Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
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I genuinely have no idea what you mean, please explain further.
I think they’re making the same point I meant to make. Which isn’t exactly the same as the interpretation of my point that another comment added. US policy towards natives was directly cited as a model for nazism, and has been a model for programs in fascist and non-fascist regimes implementing similar policies for a long time. The US isn’t fascist, as another response interprets my meaning, but establishing a protot…
I largely agree with that point, but was making a separate one that these issues don't just happen far away or a long time ago. At best, it happened in the US in living memory, at worst some version of it is still happening.
Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
#147White Stolen Generation (Australian variant), checking in. My mother was physically, emotionally and pyschologically tortured by her own government for the simple fact of having had me, out of wedlock. I was taken as a baby, to be relocated to another family - a "proper, white one", that met the standards of the government at the time. Mum fought and screamed and kicked down the doors, and got a lawyer. And, a little…
Was this standard practice, or was your case a failure of the system? We have in Switzerland the KESB - children and adults protection they call themselves - which as concept is great but they run totally unsupervised so sometimes situations like the one you lived happen under our eyes. Example? Baby taken away without right to recourse right after birth from mother living on social support, under suspicion she was t…
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Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's hellish, tedious, and off topic here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
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Do you have rationale supporting the hand of the Church in fascist regimes? The Catholic Church expressed its rejection of fascism via the strongest possible channel: an encyclic written by Pius XI in 1937, _Mit Brennender Sorge_, was read during the Sunday mass in all churches of Germany although the Nazis were already repressing opponents. Even more: according to statistical studies, out of many socioeconomic varia…
Regardless of what the encyclic said, the truth is that in Spain the Church closely colaborated with the fascist Franco regime, to the point that in many practical respects they were one and the same. There is ample evidence that you can find with some obvious Googling, but I think this image is a good visual summary: https://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotografía-de-noticias/gen... This is how the Catholic Church trea…
Coming back to the encyclic, I think it did have an impact, judging by the measurable refusal of Nazism in Catholic counties as mentioned in my previous comment. The Catholic Church had strong moral authority, and this kind of condemnation was rare: the Red Cross for instance did not raise any [2].
[1]: https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=5263342 [2]: https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/6ayg86....
Edit: grammar.
Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth
#150https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...