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Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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Joe Biden threatened to do it live on air: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKn8TM47BTc

So if they actually blew up the pipeline what would happen if Russia tries to return the favor and do the same to Norway-Polish pipeline that was just opened.

The only believable explanation for the attack on Nordstream I have heard so far is this threat. That is, the supposed idea is to make Europe wonder if any other pipelines could be targets.

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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I worked in oil and gas in a previous life. The absolute wildest people I've ever met are saturation divers - divers who live in pressurized chambers on ships for months at a time to avoid having to decompress after dives. Fantastic money but you need a few screws loose to handle the work.

There’s a pretty good documentary on Netflix called Last Breath about a saturation diving incident in 2012.

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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For all the talk about how corrupt Eastern European countries are. Russia sure proved western politicians are easy to buy.

This isn't politicians being bribed. It's countries.

Gerhard Schröder would like a word with you

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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After working in O&G previously, some of the technology surrounding it still amazes me. Take the submersible hot-welding habitat probably used here, or one like it. We have found a way to (somewhat safely) put humans on the bottom of the ocean, in a box, around a metal pipe full of explosive gasses at pressure, for the purpose of shooting molten metal at, or cutting into that metal pipe. What are we doing?

Pre-Civilization: Hunting and foraging to keep the hunger at bay

Post-Civilization: Building civilization to keep the hunger at bay

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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I found this section from another page on the same site amusing: > Nord Stream developed a high environmently-conscious logistic concept which guarantees that transport vessels have not to travel more than 100 nautical miles (185 kilometers). [...] This concept of short trips and environmentally friendly transport saves roughly 200,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide when compared against other options and the use of existi…

Yes, but most likely the fact that the natural gas is being used instead of oil or coal leads to a large net reduction in carbon emissions

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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post #33

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Why were they warning that this would happen? Who were they thinking would do this?

> ...something exactly like this year... I don't know what GP meant specifically, but. Rational energy policy would have assumed that Russia would turn off its gas at some point. Eastern European countries, though, particularly the Baltics, tried to warn other countries that Russia would leverage any energy dependence to assert dominance. As it has. I believe that's the "this" meant here.

Not all of the Baltics. Look at the position of Aivars Lembergs, the emperor of Ventspils. He is still the prime minister candidate for the ZZS party, the second largest party of Latvia.

[0] https://www.baltictimes.com/ventspils_port_offered_participa...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDwmEhiAjUw (Latvian only, sorry)

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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post #51
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if they actually blew up the pipeline what would happen if Russia tries to return the favor and do the same to Norway-Polish pipeline that was just opened.

The only believable explanation for the attack on Nordstream I have heard so far is this threat. That is, the supposed idea is to make Europe wonder if any other pipelines could be targets.

That what Russia could have done. But why do it since it is one thing to blow your own pipe and it is likely an act of war to blow ones that belong to other countries. The consequences for Russia are very bad in this case.

My question was to the post that implied that it was the US who blew up the pipelines. If that was the case they have just legitimized the potential Russian response.

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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I found this section from another page on the same site amusing: > Nord Stream developed a high environmently-conscious logistic concept which guarantees that transport vessels have not to travel more than 100 nautical miles (185 kilometers). [...] This concept of short trips and environmentally friendly transport saves roughly 200,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide when compared against other options and the use of existi…

Well, not anymore, it's been sabotaged.

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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post #56
post #42

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> ...something exactly like this year... I don't know what GP meant specifically, but. Rational energy policy would have assumed that Russia would turn off its gas at some point. Eastern European countries, though, particularly the Baltics, tried to warn other countries that Russia would leverage any energy dependence to assert dominance. As it has. I believe that's the "this" meant here.

Not all of the Baltics. Look at the position of Aivars Lembergs, the emperor of Ventspils. He is still the prime minister candidate for the ZZS party, the second largest party of Latvia. [0] https://www.baltictimes.com/ventspils_port_offered_participa... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDwmEhiAjUw (Latvian only, sorry)

Alas.

Re: Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding

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Might be actually higher risk than space walks. There have been almost 1000 space walks (defined generously), and zero fatalities.

Aside from a micro meteor smashing into your face shield. there's very little risk and a lot of oversight in space. Whereas saturation workers are under the ocean with wildlife, and undertaking heavy construction work. It's way more extreme.

In dark(if they are doing saturation there is no sunlight) with possibly horrible visibility. Any underwater work is pretty bad, but saturation takes it to entirely new level.
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