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Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by Kon-Peki »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #127
bergenty wrote: post #43

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I don’t know what you mean by “boring” but CarPlay is fantastic. It works really well and covers most things I’d like to do with a central console.

CarPlay does not work well at all on my 2018 Golf. There's a multitude of obvious, awful bugs. (eg. audio directions not occurring, but nonetheless ducking spotify audio for them)

> audio directions not occurring, but nonetheless ducking spotify audio for them

FYI - there are two different audio “sources” at play: “music” and “announcements”. Your “announcements” volume is set to 0.

Not that I have any idea how to change that on your car, but on my VWAG car I can adjust the “announcements” volume by turning the volume dial while it is speaking the directions (or not, in your case)

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Post by davmar »

boxed wrote: post #163
pGuitar wrote: post #149

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Apple always had anti-consumer rules for their products... not sure why it finally took off.

Besides them inventing the modern smart phone and revolutionizing an industry? What did the romans ever do for US? :P

brought peace?

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Post by misterprime »

cercatrova wrote: post #204
r00fus wrote: post #187

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Toyota are so glaringly bad these days. Their horrible BT implementation on our age-old Sienna really ticks me off on a daily basis.

> these days > age-old Sienna Interesting dichotomy there. I have a modern Toyota and BlueTooth works just fine.

My wife has a previous gen RAV4. I have a current gen Corolla Hybrid. The interface is VERY similar. However, she has a physical play/pause button on her RAV4 while my Corolla does not. This is INCREDIBLY frustrating because when you start the car, it MIGHT automatically resume your media. Sometimes this is OK, but other times, it is interrupting a conversation and losing your spot in the podcast you're listening to. A pause button is the perfect solution. However, in the Corolla, you have to wait about 30 seconds before you can tap the touch screen to switch to the audio touch controls, then wait a second or so before you can tap the touch screen pause button.

TLDR: Toyota removed the physical play/pause button and it's really annoying.

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Post by no_wizard »

giobox wrote: post #248
fdye wrote: post #26

So I've always wondered if Apple actually building a 'car' was ever really the goal. It seems like a skunkworks where they try crazy things and then incorporate into Carplay. Future seems to be ever expanding Carplay support. I use it and probably would not buy another car that did not have it integrated. I imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradual…

I think this is a fair take, and I've had similar thoughts too. However, one thing computer industry people don't seem to get is how much the idea of Apple owning the "dials" on the instrument cluster as shown in the keynote this year will likely go down like a cup of cold sick at most European auto makers. In many cases the designs or colors used in the dial faces have decades of brand history behind them. Regardles…

I'm willing to bet that Apple will lay down some cash to get car manufacturers on board if they think it will increase lock-in for iOS (and therefore the iPhone and other devices) by a certain margin.

Google I'm sure has its own incentives to do this.

Too early to tell if this will be the case or not.

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Post by qaq »

scarface74 wrote: post #242
qaq wrote: post #239

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Compare their sales growth to other car makers. Compare their profit margins to other car makers.

Yes just like every startup. “We had 1% of the market and grew to 2%. We doubled in the last year and are growing much faster than the incumbents”. In what rational world should Tesla have a PE of 20x GM?

We will pretty much know in the next few years. If they deliver 2 mil in 2023 and 4mil in 2024 that would be a very good indicator.

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

sytelus wrote: post #205
fdye wrote: post #26

So I've always wondered if Apple actually building a 'car' was ever really the goal. It seems like a skunkworks where they try crazy things and then incorporate into Carplay. Future seems to be ever expanding Carplay support. I use it and probably would not buy another car that did not have it integrated. I imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradual…

HUDs are the small part of the story. far more important thing is what sensors you have access to and what can you control? Car manufactures are notoriously behind and bad on properly expanding and standardizing both sensors and controls. So, it is impossible to deliver consistent experience and capabilities. Even in 2022, most manufacturer haven't still figured out how to do firmware update without using USB drives.…

> Car manufactures are notoriously behind and bad on properly expanding and standardizing both sensors and controls.

Does Tesla make their own sensors and are they "ahead of the curve"?

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Post by topkai22 »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #199
cercatrova wrote: post #128

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Who buys cars for their HUD? I buy cars for their performance, miles per gallon (or electric equivalent), brand value, etc.

The only reason I’m considering upgrading my 2011 Audi to a newer one is the technology. The car itself is great but it’s got crappy stop start features, crappy audio/infotainment tech, bad A/C etc.

It is relatively cheap to upgrade the infotainment systems on most cars. Apple and android compatible systems start as low as $350.

I did a self install on a 2010 ford Escape after my kids killed the radio (by inserting pennies into the cd slot…). Between that upgrade and new tires it was like driving a new car.

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Post by TylerE »

dhosek wrote: post #231
smm11 wrote: post #212

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Today I learned that people pick a car based on how well it integrates with a cell phone.

The last few times I’ve rented a car it’s had CarPlay and based on those experiences, the next time I buy a car, it must have CarPlay. The experience without it is just so poor (and don’t get me started on how ridiculously bad the experience of pairing bluetooth is in my parent’s car which requires a mix of voice commands and button presses in a completely undiscoverable way).

Once you get used to Waze on the big screen it’s really hard to go back.

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Post by smileysteve »

jononomo wrote: post #104
jononomo wrote: post #102

I wish Toyota would partner with Apple for their internal maps, screen, controls, etc. Toyota seems to have a major problem with intuitive usability (especially for my parents who are in their 80s). Toyota is the largest car company in the world and makes the most reliable vehicles in the world, but they need that extra touch to take them to the next level. Just as I would never by a phone that is not an iPhone, or a…

How much would it cost for Apple to take a 10% stake in Toyota? Doesn't Apple have a couple hundred billion dollars just lying around in cash?

why buy 10% of Toyota when they could buy 100% of Ford (49.7bn market cap) with 90% cash on hand.

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Post by samatman »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #213
restore_creole_ wrote: post #151

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It is normal for a car with that many miles to need to have some replacement parts. There are users who have reported going over 500,000 km on original battery (20% degradation). https://twitter.com/IovePianoBlack/status/155158555774626201...

There is a big difference between some replacement parts and having all of the major components replaced multiple times.

I think you read the engine part wrong.

The battery pack was recalled and its replacement has logged 1,000,000 km.

Similarly, three of the four motors were all recalled at the same time, the fourth one wasn't and made it to 1,000,000 km, possibly 1,500,000 as well, the article says they don't know.

Parts which are recalled and replaced by the manufacturer say something about reliability, but nothing about durability: reliability tends to improve.

Regardless, my point is the engines were 3/4 replaced once, not replaced three different times. The battery was also replaced twice, but that's because the interim was a loaner, not because it failed twice.

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