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Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

tialaramex wrote: post #47

HN seems like the sort of audience who can tell me. This is a serious question: Why would anybody listen to Jean-Louis Gassée? What I see is a career of failures, at Apple, at Be, at Palm, JLG was dealt good hands and some bad hands but played each indifferently. Did I miss something important ?

A critic, ou analyst, does not need to be a good practitioner to provide the public with interesting insights.

The "you can't cook/compose/etc, how dare you criticize the food/music/etc" line is rather crass.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by dagmx »

cercatrova wrote: post #128
johannes1234321 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradually standardizing on a way to take all the displays/touchscreens in a vehicle and let them be run by Carplay seems like the future. What is then remaining as distinctive feature of a car vendor? The design? With their custom entertainment system they can confront they driver with their own brand identity an…

Who buys cars for their HUD? I buy cars for their performance, miles per gallon (or electric equivalent), brand value, etc.

It was definitely a factor for us, especially as more cars move to all Software interfaces. A laggy or unintuitive system ranges from annoying everyday to dangerous.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by robotcapital »

cercatrova wrote: post #128
johannes1234321 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradually standardizing on a way to take all the displays/touchscreens in a vehicle and let them be run by Carplay seems like the future. What is then remaining as distinctive feature of a car vendor? The design? With their custom entertainment system they can confront they driver with their own brand identity an…

Who buys cars for their HUD? I buy cars for their performance, miles per gallon (or electric equivalent), brand value, etc.

Another anecdote, but this is exactly how I chose my last car. I went to CarMax, filtered by CarPlay integration, and then chose from what was available. In fact, the lack of CarPlay integration is one of the main reasons I didn't consider a Tesla at the time.

From basic things like a snappy interface and keeping my podcasts in sync, to suggesting the destination based on the recent maps search I did from my phone on the way to the car, the attention to detail makes it a better experience. I don't particularly get any joy out of driving. I just want to get to my destination safely and quickly, and CarPlay makes the process less taxing.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by saiya-jin »

nradov wrote: post #152
fdye wrote: post #26

So I've always wondered if Apple actually building a 'car' was ever really the goal. It seems like a skunkworks where they try crazy things and then incorporate into Carplay. Future seems to be ever expanding Carplay support. I use it and probably would not buy another car that did not have it integrated. I imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradual…

Almost every new car sold in the developed world has a display in the dashboard, but very few actually have a Heads-Up Display (HUD) projected in the driver's line of sight. It's mostly just premium models from GM and BMW that come with this feature. It's a shame that more cars don't have a HUD as it really does help to reduce driver distractions.

This is by far the best feature of our BMW F10 (manufactured in 2014 IIRC). I hate the distraction of constantly checking my speed in town, where there is a mix of dense traffic, many obstacles, outright stupid cyclists ignoring all traffic rules and aggressive motorcycles drivers and tons of radars that fine hard.

I've noticed with my previous car (also BMW, E46 that I will remember fondly for the rest of my life as amazing car but not due to this) that if I looked at speed, my peripheral sight of whats happening on the actual road was almost 0. I may notice break lights of car close to me if its newer car, or an atomic blast, but anything else simply no. Just something very bad waiting to happen.

Its such a great safety feature even with minimal info (current speed, current speed limit, and if car navigation is on some basic directions, but maybe thats the key, don't clutter it with too much info) that I would make it mandatory if I were EU and subsidize it.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by r00fus »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #119
fdye wrote: post #26

So I've always wondered if Apple actually building a 'car' was ever really the goal. It seems like a skunkworks where they try crazy things and then incorporate into Carplay. Future seems to be ever expanding Carplay support. I use it and probably would not buy another car that did not have it integrated. I imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradual…

> imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradually standardizing on a way to take all the displays/touchscreens in a vehicle and let them be run by Carplay seems like the future. What is then remaining as distinctive feature of a car vendor? The design? With their custom entertainment system they can confront they driver with their own brand identity an…

Same energy as complaining about not being able to provide customer with "dazzling box cover art design" because digital downloads made shelf boxes irrelevant.

Cars have handling, space, looks... just about everything else other than the dash/touchscreen is meaningful competition space.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by r00fus »

dmonitor wrote: post #146
johannes1234321 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradually standardizing on a way to take all the displays/touchscreens in a vehicle and let them be run by Carplay seems like the future. What is then remaining as distinctive feature of a car vendor? The design? With their custom entertainment system they can confront they driver with their own brand identity an…

You say that as if it were a bad thing. I'd rather a good entertainment system than the shite that Toyota puts the bare minimum effort into.

Toyota are so glaringly bad these days. Their horrible BT implementation on our age-old Sienna really ticks me off on a daily basis.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by pryelluw »

I don’t see the point of them selling a car. Expanding CarPlay is more realistic. Let the automakers produce the vehicle code and apple takes care of the screens and what nots. I’d love to be able to build iOS apps for my car. Though as someone who values consumer and ownership rights, it might not be a great idea after all.

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by davzie »

fdye wrote: post #26

So I've always wondered if Apple actually building a 'car' was ever really the goal. It seems like a skunkworks where they try crazy things and then incorporate into Carplay. Future seems to be ever expanding Carplay support. I use it and probably would not buy another car that did not have it integrated. I imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradual…

Imagine not being able to control basic aspects of your car like heating and stuff because you forgot or choose not to use a smartphone!

Re: Apple Car: Bad Idea After All

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Post by noelsusman »

cercatrova wrote: post #128
johannes1234321 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> imagine car manufacturers are somewhat tired of always building HUDs and in vehicle control systems. So gradually standardizing on a way to take all the displays/touchscreens in a vehicle and let them be run by Carplay seems like the future. What is then remaining as distinctive feature of a car vendor? The design? With their custom entertainment system they can confront they driver with their own brand identity an…

Who buys cars for their HUD? I buy cars for their performance, miles per gallon (or electric equivalent), brand value, etc.

It's in my top 3 criteria along with reliability and energy efficiency. Performance is probably dead last for me, assuming some reasonable floor (i.e. I can safely merge onto the highway).

It's something I'm going to interact with on a near daily basis, so it's important that it doesn't piss me off.

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