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Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by durnygbur »

lb1lf wrote: post #3

It is exceedingly unlikely that this is an accident, seeing as no less than three separate pipelines were punctured at different locations within hours of each other. While none of the pipelines were currently operational, this basically ensures that even if some agreement could be reached with Russia to resume gas imports (not very likely!), it will not be possible in the short term, seeing as the operator claims da…

Coincidentally the Baltic Pipe becomes operational this week, might as well be a larger international operation. Operation which Putin with Schröder will certainly not like, and which will give hiccups to Merkel.

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by voakbasda »

silexia wrote: post #12

For the conspiracy theorists claiming this is the US... The current US administration has made climate change it's number one priority. It's extremely doubtful they would damage the environment in this way with methane.

Good thing politicians are never duplicitous liars. We can trust them to do exactly what they say and know they will never dare betray their constituents.

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by [deleted] »

lb1lf wrote: post #3

It is exceedingly unlikely that this is an accident, seeing as no less than three separate pipelines were punctured at different locations within hours of each other. While none of the pipelines were currently operational, this basically ensures that even if some agreement could be reached with Russia to resume gas imports (not very likely!), it will not be possible in the short term, seeing as the operator claims da…

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Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lb1lf wrote: post #9
netsharc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could put on my amateur geo-political-analyst hat for a moment, who could be behind this and why? Seems like a Putin move, since he dared using (probably) a sub in other nations' waters. Reason? To show Europe he means business? To show Europe he's not planning to rewind anything to the way things were in 2021?

If one is of a sufficiently dark view, it may even be some western power wishing to drive home the point that Russia will not - full stop - export gas in any significant quantity to Europe anytime soon. I would believe it more likely to be the Russians testing the waters, so to speak - finding out how far you can go sabotaging infrastructure. After all, starting with two non-operational pipelines makes consequences l…

> it may even be some western power wishing to drive home the point that Russia will not - full stop - export gas in any significant quantity to Europe anytime soon

Then it would be incompetent. There is political resolve against Russia in Europe. Keeping the ability to bomb the pipes is one thing. Doing it in the midst of that resolve would be self defeating.

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by omega3 »

Potentially sending gas via this pipeline was one of the last remaining bargain cards for Russia. In case of harsh winter they could use it to pressure European countries (cough Germany cough) into lifting the sanctions. There is no logical reason as to why Russia would have been attacking it's own pipeline.

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by jusssi »

omega3 wrote: post #16

Potentially sending gas via this pipeline was one of the last remaining bargain cards for Russia. In case of harsh winter they could use it to pressure European countries (cough Germany cough) into lifting the sanctions. There is no logical reason as to why Russia would have been attacking it's own pipeline.

It's not out of question that there could be a faction in Russia that would want to undermine the current regime.

Edit: Or it could be a play by the current regime against any competing factions.

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by aa-jv »

netsharc wrote: post #8
lb1lf wrote: post #3

It is exceedingly unlikely that this is an accident, seeing as no less than three separate pipelines were punctured at different locations within hours of each other. While none of the pipelines were currently operational, this basically ensures that even if some agreement could be reached with Russia to resume gas imports (not very likely!), it will not be possible in the short term, seeing as the operator claims da…

If I could put on my amateur geo-political-analyst hat for a moment, who could be behind this and why? Seems like a Putin move, since he dared using (probably) a sub in other nations' waters. Reason? To show Europe he means business? To show Europe he's not planning to rewind anything to the way things were in 2021?

I'm curious why you're avoiding the obvious party: the USA did this.

Biden even stated he would do it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-germanys-scholz-stress-u...

Re: Pressure leaks hit undersea Nord Stream pipelines

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Post by throwawaymaths »

jusssi wrote: post #17
omega3 wrote: post #16

Potentially sending gas via this pipeline was one of the last remaining bargain cards for Russia. In case of harsh winter they could use it to pressure European countries (cough Germany cough) into lifting the sanctions. There is no logical reason as to why Russia would have been attacking it's own pipeline.

It's not out of question that there could be a faction in Russia that would want to undermine the current regime. Edit: Or it could be a play by the current regime against any competing factions.

Lots of people in Russia have family in Ukraine
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