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Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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Yes, most XPS and Latitude laptops.

What were the equivalent white box vendors and did they ship with the same firmwares? Citation to read up in this?

I don't understand what you mean by "white box".

Just look for yourself it's really not hard to find: https://www.dell.com/en-us/lp/linux-systems

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #631

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What were the equivalent white box vendors and did they ship with the same firmwares? Citation to read up in this?

I don't understand what you mean by "white box". Just look for yourself it's really not hard to find: https://www.dell.com/en-us/lp/linux-systems

Sure, I can look up Dell Linux products. However, the assertion was that they're just branded white box computers, so Im asking what the white box equivalents are, and to what extent they're really equivalent.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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How nice for OP. Just a handful of my issues: - only one speaker works so volume is low - finger print scanner doesn’t work - battery life is poor compared to Windows on same machine - suspend and hibernate doesn’t work - random freezes - charging indicator unreliable - trackpad wrist filtering is very poor - boot failures after OS updates I have now switched to a Mac with Apple Silicon. I really tried with Linux for…

> - only one speaker works so volume is low I had this problem too on my old XPS, it's hardware, not software. Linux cannot magically fix broken cables. > - finger print scanner doesn’t work There is no driver for the common Chinese fingerprint readers. That's hardly Linux fault.

Volume works on Windows so this is some kind of software issue.

Fingerprint scanner might not be Linux’s “fault” (whatever that means) but fact is I can’t use it on Linux.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #631

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I don't understand what you mean by "white box". Just look for yourself it's really not hard to find: https://www.dell.com/en-us/lp/linux-systems

Sure, I can look up Dell Linux products. However, the assertion was that they're just branded white box computers, so Im asking what the white box equivalents are, and to what extent they're really equivalent.

I didn't understand it that way at all. The assertion, as far as I understood, was that the Linux machines were the same ones that were sold with Windows on them otherwise. Which is true, Dell sell the same hardware with Windows or Linux.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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post #634

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Sure, I can look up Dell Linux products. However, the assertion was that they're just branded white box computers, so Im asking what the white box equivalents are, and to what extent they're really equivalent.

I didn't understand it that way at all. The assertion, as far as I understood, was that the Linux machines were the same ones that were sold with Windows on them otherwise. Which is true, Dell sell the same hardware with Windows or Linux.

Ah, I see your claim.

Is the firmware confirmed to be the same? Even with the same chips, the firmware would likely diverge between Windows and Linux (ACPI code, BIOS, EC, etc)

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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I was getting 12 hour battery life on a Macbook Air running Gentoo a decade ago... things have only gotten better. You're way off base here.

I had a System76, and the thing ate battery. Had to sell it and go back to a mac because it wasn't usable.

I'm not surprised, I've never used a system76 laptop, but they always looked like chunky "portable workstations" rather than mobile computing devices. After dealing with the horrible battery life, weight, and fan noise of a Thinkpad with a discrete GPU and fast CPU, I decided that I would ignore that segment of the market in favor of the small and light category.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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My main issue with my current laptop is that the synopsis touchpads connect over i2c, and there has been a lot of ongoing work in the kernel that keeps requiring me to change my kernel config (PINCTRL_AMD needing to be selected for the 5.18 to 5.19 kernel update). My last laptop (an AMD version of the HP Envy 13) was also rough at the beginning. A BIOS update updated the AMD GPU firmware or microcode or something and…

I was going to cry foul since 5.18 and 5.19 aren't considered "stable" by most maintainers, but you mentioned that you do kernel dev, so it makes sense. 5.15 is "stable", at least on gentoo.

> I was going to cry foul since 5.18 and 5.19 aren't considered "stable" by most maintainers

Distro maintainers certainly, unless you're Gentoo, Arch, or one of the other mostly-bleeding-edge rolling release distros. The "stable" kernel is whatever the current release is and "longterm" kernels are typically the last major kernel version released in a given year.

https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

Most distributions pick whatever the latest longterm kernel is when they cut releases. Sometimes they don't and things get strange, such as when Canonical chose kernel 4.15 for Ubuntu 18.04, requiring them to maintain an unsupported kernel themselves. IIRC that was because a bunch of AMD CPU and GPU support was added in 4.15.

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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She barely knows how to open outlook, let alone go to ms store and install a sw. Please don't try to defend MS, not this time. I found plenty of casual games installed in my work win10 PC. It's MS.

According to duck duck go, multiple people complained about Spotify auto installing on their windows box two days ago. I completely stopped using windows in the 8.1 days (forced telemetry was the last straw). I can't imagine dealing with the sorts of gaslighting you are experiencing. Happily, a combination of steam proton and dosbox run dos / windows games on my Linux desktop more smoothly than native ever did, and t…

https://www.reviewgeek.com/131649/spotify-is-installing-itse...

Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring

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I had the following - and luckily they worked great under Linux (Ubuntu LTS or Lubuntu):

Lenovo ThinkPad x61s Lenovo ThinkPad x220 Lenovo ThinkPad x230 Lenovo ThinkPad Lenovo ThinkPad x1 DELL Latitude E7450 and similar

Problematic:

Lenovo ThinkPad x240 - hypersensitive touchpad makes mouse pointer jumpt while writing text

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